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DocSavage45

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08-22-2016 06:24 PM

Topic tags/keywords: question bandsaw milling

Hey LJ’s,

Have learned quite a bit about my Grizzly GO555 14 inch Bandsaw with riser. This is an original.

Mathias Wendle did a great video on blade width. I know now I am at my limit with a 5/8ths blade The diameter of the wheels limits the situation and amount of tension.

I’ve learned about blade type and teeth.

I have also built support table jigs and a tool for running the logs through. Also about being precise and drift.

Thanks to all of my LJ and YouTube teachers!

Being that I just posted a Blog on my misadventures in chainsaw milling (Chainsaw Madness) I thought I’d take a few minutes more to get some thoughts and opinions about upping the HP on my GO555 as it is definitively cheaper than a 17 inch bandsaw right now, seeing I have everything set up.

My question is ….Would adding a higher HP motor to the bandsaw be a good thing?

I might be overlooking an issue so I thought I’d get some opinions and advice before doing something I should not? LOL!

Thanks for your thoughts, comments and experience.

Tom/AKA DocSavage45

-- Cau Haus Designs, Thomas J. Tieffenbacher


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MrUnix

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#1 posted 08-22-2016 06:37 PM

It’s the blade that does the work… the motor just keeps it moving. With a good blade and proper setup, a lot of horsepower is not really needed. Although, a lot of people throw horsepower at the machine to overcome that fact. For the Delta 14” band saw, which your saw is a clone of, the manual has this to say about required horsepower:

Cheers,
Brad

PS: I have a 1/2hp on my Delta and have never felt the need for more. YMMV.

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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#2 posted 08-22-2016 06:40 PM

And the answer is…..................Wait, Wait….......
No!
The frame is only so strong, and as an owner of the 0555LX, there is just so much the saw can do.
I wouldn’t over tax the saw frame, and mine, with a 1/2” 3 tpi blade, is most adequate.
Wanna put a huge engine in a vehicle? Wanna have to replace the whole drive train?
Some may have different opinions.
BTW, I really like my 0555LX.
Bill

-- bill@magraphics.us

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#3 posted 08-22-2016 07:03 PM

Thanks guys!

What size blades are you using to cut veneers?

-- Cau Haus Designs, Thomas J. Tieffenbacher

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#4 posted 08-22-2016 07:20 PM

The motor can be any hp from 1/3 up. Obviously you wouldn’t want to use a 3 hp motor (cost), but on a 14” BS with a riser, 3/4 hp seems to be about right.

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#5 posted 08-22-2016 07:24 PM

Will you see much improvement over current 1 HP 115 V Asian motor with say 1 ½ or 2 HP 115V Asian motor?

Unless you upgrade to 220 V motor rated more than 2 HP don’t see where will gain anything more than have right now. Finding one to fit might be minor problem.

If everything is working now would leave well enough alone. Only limitation have now is blade size and maybe rate of feed depening upon wood species (domestic verus exotic). Horsepower isn’t the problem!

If planing on doing a lot of resawing for several years to come invest in a bigger saw. Especially if work with lot of dense exotic wood species. Wider and better (carbide) blades and more HP make bigger saws make life easier.

-- Bill

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#6 posted 08-22-2016 07:31 PM

Mr.. Ron thanks!

-- Cau Haus Designs, Thomas J. Tieffenbacher

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#7 posted 08-22-2016 07:44 PM

Bill,

it’s a 1 hp motor can be wired to 220. Looking at the newer extreme series GO555X I see different balanced cast Iron wheels and a 1.5 hp motor? I’m thinking that’s the upper end for this model saw or?

I know bigger is better when it comes to resawing. Done a bit so far. Fairly smooth cuts.

I do have a 220 circuit I installed for my 3 hp 1023 grizzly cabinet saw.

The motor drives a single belt. It’s a great machine for the money. Had I realized i when I had money and motivation to spend it I should have purchased something to take larger blades for hardwoods and veneer work. But Murphy has taught me a lot over the years since this which was my first expensive purchase.

As Grizzly has increased the hp on the extreme to 1.5 hp I’m thinking it might have to do with load limits on 20 amp fuses or less? Anyway. your input is helping me think it through.

But as I have 220 single phase I could improve my existing saw?

-- Cau Haus Designs, Thomas J. Tieffenbacher

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#8 posted 08-22-2016 07:54 PM

I agree ^^ most bandsaws are underpowered for any kind of resaw work because the thickness of wood the blade is passing through requires power, pure and simple (if you want to have a decent feed rate, anyway).

My little Jet 12” has a 1/2 HP motor and it does OK but I would never even attempt to resaw on it.

However, the 18” 2HP does a great job.

Doc, if you come across a motor throw it on there and see what happens.

Otherwise, keep a good quality resaw blade on hand and tension it way up

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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#9 posted 08-22-2016 08:02 PM

rwe2156,

We have a saying when someone has a great deal here on LJ’s. an 18 ” 2hp bandsaw? You suck! LOL!

Thanks for your thoughts.

I think I’ll give Grizzly support a call when I am considering changing motors as they might have an exact match and I can get some input from them in addition to what you folks are sharing.

-- Cau Haus Designs, Thomas J. Tieffenbacher

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#10 posted 08-22-2016 08:07 PM

I have a Powermatic 14” bandsaw and it came stock with a 1-1/2 hp motor. It will take up to a 3/4” blade and cuts great with the good blades and tuning

-- Wood for projects is like a good Fart..."better when you cut it yourself"

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DocSavage45

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#11 posted 08-22-2016 08:55 PM

Hey Lj’s,

I went to the source as I usually get great information from Grizzly tech guys.

FMI and FYI: Can’t upgrade my GO 555 with a matching but higher hp motor. The extreme version cast iron wheels are about 60 and 80 bucks apiece.

The guy said rewiring to 220 would decrease the amp draw but he wasn’t sure if it would be a big improvement.

He also mentioned the extreme has the same trunion (aluminum) as my saw.

SOOOOO I didn’t leap before I looked. Thanks for your input.

-- Cau Haus Designs, Thomas J. Tieffenbacher

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#12 posted 08-23-2016 03:29 AM

Hey Tom, long time no talk. I found going to a wider kerf blade, specifically the green wood turner's blade sold by highland woodworking put an end to the bogging down I was experiencing on my previous 1 HP saw, especially when using it to mill small logs and such. One might think that one should use a thin kerf blade to put less load on the motor, but that neglects the impact of a too narrow kerf pushing on the side of the blade causing deflection (and/or closing kerf) inducing drag on the blade. For $25 or so it’s an inexpensive thing to evaluate for yourself.

Also, I’ve read that a given motor generates the same power whether running at, for example, 16 amps at 110V or 8 amps at 220v, which is consistent with what you’re saying.

-- Bob Anderton - Austin, TX - Nova 3000 lathe, Alaskan Mark III mill, Husqavarna Saw

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DocSavage45

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#13 posted 08-23-2016 05:01 AM

Hey Bob,

I did send you an email w/picture of my shed project and asked about your dresser rehab. Maybe you didn’t get it?

Working on bringing my lawn tractor mower deck as well as the trans and belts since it went south all at once.

Then I get back to the shed.

What I used when tension release was toward the blade was ceder wedges I use in shimming door jambs.

Thanks for checking this out. Did you see my blog on Chainsaw mill madness?

http://lumberjocks.com/DocSavage45/blog/91354

-- Cau Haus Designs, Thomas J. Tieffenbacher

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#14 posted 08-23-2016 09:57 AM

well tom im thinking that if you were to make a table that you can mount one of your chainsaws to, you could use it as a resaw machine, and if you were to have a power feed that ran at a high speed, it could run your veneers right through the chainsaw, i know my idea is on the genius side of thinking, but i wont ;charge for my idea, let me know when you use this idea and maybe we can partner up and go into full production….

-- GRIZZMAN ...[''''']

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#15 posted 08-23-2016 10:06 AM



rwe2156,

We have a saying when someone has a great deal here on LJ s. an 18 ” 2hp bandsaw? You suck! LOL!

Thanks for your thoughts.

I think I ll give Grizzly support a call when I am considering changing motors as they might have an exact match and I can get some input from them in addition to what you folks are sharing.

- DocSavage45


wow, who would have thought to contact the guys at grizzly and ask them about going with a larger motor, LOL…i know tom, go ahead and smack me along side the head, i guess if my back is slowing me down to work the wood, i can go into woodworker stand up comedian….what do you think…lol

-- GRIZZMAN ...[''''']

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