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Forum topic by Kindlingmaker posted 06-01-2010 11:35 PM 3447 views 0 times favorited 12 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Kindlingmaker

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06-01-2010 11:35 PM

Topic tags/keywords: signing work pen maker tip

I have a rather large and pricey long turn wood project that requires the use of Sharpie makers/pens. With an email conversation with woodturner Ernie Conover, he made mention that Sharpie pens are NOT permanent and will only last a short period of time so India Ink is one of the few that will last. Ok, a panic racked this old guy in that so much has been done over the last couple of years with Sharpie pens that I went to the Sharpie web site to find information on the longevity of their ink. Here comes that really big panic! The following is copied directly from their web site:

• How long does a permanent marker last?
We do not have a mathematical formula to figure how long a permanent marker will “last.” With outdoor exposure on a nonporous surface, the marks from a dye base marker will be gone in perhaps three to four months. With indoor exposure on a porous surface, like artist canvas or paper, we would expect marks from a dye base marker to last several years.

So with this information i need to somehow save what I have so far and figure out what to do next. As for so many woodworkers signing their projects with a Sharpie… maybe a second thought for using this maker.

-- Never board, always knotty, lots of growth rings


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thatwoodworkingguy

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#1 posted 06-02-2010 12:03 AM

Ahhh thats no good at all!
I should start burning my signiture in.
Thanks for this

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rance

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#2 posted 06-02-2010 12:42 AM

Mr, uh… uh Maker, :)

I’ll keep on using a fine tip Sharpie. I usually sign the bottom of my boxes and when they sit there, my name is always in the dark. With finish over it, I think It’ll last at least until my kids die. :D But I do appreciate you posting your findings lest I use it for part of the artwork.

Rance

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#3 posted 06-02-2010 12:55 AM

I think they sell markers with paint in them that write on most any thing.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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#4 posted 06-02-2010 01:41 AM

Yikes! Signatures? Um..what about if they are protected with a shellac top coat?

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#5 posted 06-02-2010 01:48 AM

Hey Barbs
I think most felt pens have ink that’s alcohol based so shellac might be a problem since it is alchol base too

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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#6 posted 06-02-2010 01:53 AM

barbs, I will be doing some fast research on a possible finish that will not hurt the Sharpie ink, will protect the ink from UV light, won’t yellow or cause the wood to become opaque looking forever, look into UV protected glass for the frames, and and and… Who would have thought!

-- Never board, always knotty, lots of growth rings

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#7 posted 06-02-2010 01:54 AM

You might put water base on you list to try.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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#8 posted 06-02-2010 02:34 AM

Hmmm does danish oil and wax over my sharpie writing seem like a good protector? hmmm

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Kindlingmaker

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#9 posted 06-02-2010 02:49 AM

I have just started to sign items that I have made and each of the finishes have worked great over the Sharpie but none have UV protectors in them. I will be putting a couple of items out in the sun and see what happens… I live on the edge of the Mojave Desert.

-- Never board, always knotty, lots of growth rings

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#10 posted 06-02-2010 04:08 AM

I used a Sharpie to mark garden stakes with names of the vegetables and they faded long before the growing season ended.

-- -Willing to try

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#11 posted 06-02-2010 04:29 PM

Kindingmaker:

This sounds like a reason to buy a new tool. Say a good wood-burner. Like we need a reason to buy tools!
As for your project if it is the one I am thinking of perhaps your experiment could be to make some samples coat them with various finishes and place them in the Hot Desert Sun and see what works best.

-- Bob Clark, Tool Collector and Sawdust Maker

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#12 posted 06-02-2010 11:40 PM

Big_Bob, You are right about the project and samples will be made but there are many types of wood so an experiment of the most common ones will be done for now. In the mean time I have found a supplier of India ink pens and researching different finishes that will help retard the UV degration of the Sharpie pen. Right now Waterlox is at the top of the list followed closely by General Finishes Super Coat. All ideas and suggestions very welcome! ...still in panic mode!

-- Never board, always knotty, lots of growth rings

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