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Forum topic by PatrickIrish posted 08-17-2016 04:41 AM 502 views 0 times favorited 12 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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08-17-2016 04:41 AM

I’m looking at a used Delta Unisaw Platinum Edition with an Excalibur guard/dust collection for $750. Seller said it’s a 36” rail version. I googled that and couldnt find a 36” fence 3hp platinum edition. All were 50” or 52”.

If it is a 3hp unisaw with excalibur system and 36” rail, is $750 decent? I was going to offer $550 as a starting point and see what happens.

I was holding out for a Sawstop, passed up one for $2200 and figure I can sell my jobsite bosch 4100 for $400, use the Unisaw until I move into a bigger place and buy a new under warrant sawstop.

Also, seller doesnt have a compatible 220v outlet so right now it works but can’t be powered on. I’ll be talking to the husband tomorrow, only corresponded with the wife via text today.

The pics I got make it seem that an extension piece is missing to come flush with the rear rail and excalibur system. They don’t know if they have that. If not, it’s certainly not 36” then right?


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Kelly

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#1 posted 08-17-2016 04:55 AM

Looks like he as a couple over-arm guard-dust collectors. That Excalibur goes for at least four hundred for my 52” (I’m running one and like it).

This is, obviously, a right tilt. With the guard-collectors, seven hundred fifty seems reasonable, if you want or will settle for a right tilt. My first was and I was happy with it. I only have a left tilt now because I put my shop back together after becoming single and may not have missed the claimed advantages of a left tilt.

That Excalibur looks older than mine and is different. Mine has a sweeping 90, allowing it to swing out of the way easily. This one seems to have a square vertical support. Hmm. Looks like the dust collection just mounts to the back of it.

See how easy it is to move the Excalibur out of the way. That’s a big deal.

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#2 posted 08-17-2016 05:07 AM

The platinum edition Unisaw came out in 1999 IIRC. It was your standard Unisaw, but with a fancy paint job, a 50” Biesemeyer commercial fence (BC50), laminated extension table, two cast iron extension wings, a carbide tipped combination blade and a “personalized” insignia plaque. They also offered a $100 rebate and almost every Delta ad you could find had a picture of Norm on it somewhere :)

That machine does have the Biesemeyer fence on it, although the front rail and guide tube appear to be missing… the Excalibur thing is an over-arm guard, which might be an extra (and appears new/never installed), as one picture shows that the machine already has a Biesemeyer over-arm guard installed. Probably has a disappearing splitter as well, as those usually shipped with the over-arm guard setups. It looks to be in very good shape, well taken care of and other than the front fence rail/tube, mostly complete. I would say $750 is about the ballbark price for a machine in that condition and with those accessories. I wouldn’t worry too much about not being able to see it run… it’s very, very hard to kill those machines, even in a production environment.

Cheers,
Brad

PS: The rear fence rail is fine… it’s not used by the fence and is only there to hold stuff up (over-arm guard, extension tables, outfeed tables, etc…). The fence has laminated pads that ride on the table top, not the rear rail.

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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#3 posted 08-17-2016 05:26 AM

I’ll call and go see it tomorrow. When measuring for a 52” model, it from the right of the blade correct? So this SHOULD be 36” from the right of the blade to the end of the cast iron table? Just seems like it’s missing pieces, seems short to me.

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#4 posted 08-17-2016 05:36 AM

Can’t really tell from the pictures, but that saw might not have the extension table, which is sort of required – but fortunately very easy to make, and there are even detailed plans on how to make it in the manual. Here are the dimensions for the commercial fences:

And keep in mind, there is nothing keeping someone from cutting down the rails to make them shorter if space is an issue. If they have been, or are otherwise too short – you can get the angle iron and tube from any local metal supplier and make them as long (or as short) as you want. It’s just stock stuff – ain’t nothing special about it other than a little paint and a sticky tape.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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Fred Hargis

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#5 posted 08-17-2016 11:02 AM

I had that exact saw (mine was a 2001) with a 52” Unifence. My memory is fuzzy (or MIA), but I could have sworn the 32” (Unifence) was available….I didn’t consider the Bies. In any case, as Brad indicated it’s simply a shinier coat of paint that makes it a Platinum Edition. There was a time when Delta thought introducing a new model of tool was changing the color and accessories included. I also had the Excalibur on mine. I sold the saw (kept the Excalibur) about 2 years ago for $900, though mine had a lot of extras….which altogether may have been worth what the Excalibur is. I think it’s a great price, and you would do well to buy it.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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#6 posted 08-17-2016 06:25 PM

Had to take the girlfriend her work computer and drove another 20min to look at the saw. Glad I did.

The excalibur guard/dust collector does is not for this saw. Sure it can work for it BUT this Unisaw had the Delta/Besseimeyer overarm guard already on it.

No splitter/riving knife. It has the quick release pull knob for one but didnt see it in the garage.

No Front rail or front rail guide so the fence is just laying on top of the saw.

Raising and lower the blade made some noise. Sure some oil would help.

Not sure I want to source an extension cord adapter so I can test it. Adding a front rail/guide and mobile base is gonna be $300 + likely.

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#7 posted 08-17-2016 06:50 PM

The disappearing splitter is under the throat plate, so you might have missed it. Last Unisaw I bought had one (along with the same Biesemeyer commercial fence and over-arm guard), and even though the PO had used it for years, was surprised when I pulled the plate up to remove the blade and I pointed it out to him. He never knew it was there :) A new one is around $70 from Amazon.

And depending on where you are and what metal suppliers you have around you, a front tube and rail should not be any more than $100 at the most, and most likely a lot less. Stock Delta mobile base was $51 at HD or Amazon w/free shipping, but now appear to have gone up to $65.

But as I always mention, the key to buying used is to find them as complete as possible, as it’s the missing stuff that can bite you. By the time you add in the missing rail and sticky tape, some new bearings and belts, a mobile base and anything else that may need attention, you are starting to push the final cost up quite a bit. Depending on your goals, you could use those missing bits to negotiate for a lower price – and wind up with a really nice machine for significantly less than anything available new. Or, you can resist the ‘gotta have it now’ urge and wait for the next nice machine to show up – which will happen if you are patient.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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Fred Hargis

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#8 posted 08-17-2016 06:56 PM

Sounds like you made the right decision, good luck with the search!

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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#9 posted 08-19-2016 07:18 AM

Well I couldnt pass it up actually. My dad and I made a cord to power it on. The seller never turned it on. He got it from a cabinet maker. The cabinet maker installed a keyed switch on the front the seller thought was another outlet. Plugged it in and it wouldnt start. Seller didnt have the key…...sooooo we just cut both sets of wires leading into the keyed switch and then twist locked the wires together.

Fired up and sounded great. Minimal vibration. Was asking $750. I offered $650 because I need to get a 2×3 steel tube for the rail. He had guys calling to see it while I was there. We settled on $700 but….. That includes an excalibur over arm guard/dust collector the seller didnt even know extends out. Also includes a Biesemeyer over arm T-square blade guard (the clear guard piece is cracked). I’ll likely sell one of them, not sure which.

No splitter though. It does have the Biesemeyer quick release white mount for one. Not sure what I’ll do splitter riving knife wise.

I did see a splitter like this laying around but it wouldnt mount and I figured it was for an older Delta 2hp unisaw that said ‘arbor press’ on the front.

I’m heading to Woodcraft tomorrow morning, an hour away, to get there Woodriver Mobile Base Kit. I want to unload this from my truck directly onto a mobile base. I’d like to get my 2×3 steel tubing but don’t know how long I need. I plan making it a 36” model for space reasons, not sure what that means total length front tube.

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#10 posted 08-19-2016 07:52 AM

Congrats on the nice saw. The steel tube will be right around 72”, You want to add extra length to the tube to accommodate the “t ” style fence so the entire fence is still touching the tube when its fully extended to 36”. It will be 46”-48” past the blade to get 36” I recently restored an old biesemeyer fence. I painted the tube with rustoleum professional spray paint. Almond was the color that best matched another biesemeyer fence I have just to give you a heads up. I used denatured alcohol to prep the steel for paint but there are lots of ways to do that.

It sounds like you got a pretty good saw for the money. You are going to have a lot of fun.

-- -Mike, Southern California, YouTube User ( Give & Take )

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#11 posted 08-19-2016 08:04 AM

I was super stoked until I saw right tilt. I think you got a heck of a deal.

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#12 posted 08-19-2016 11:33 PM

I hope for your sake that it is a standard 2×3 tubing. I have a shop fox T-square fence and it uses a bastard size tubing. it is like 2 7/8 I had to make a tube for it.

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