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Forum topic by UncannyValleyWoods posted 08-17-2016 02:07 AM 2725 views 0 times favorited 38 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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UncannyValleyWoods

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08-17-2016 02:07 AM

That must be the case.

I just recently moved to Eastern MD and started looking for a ‘new’ used 14inch bandsaw. We move around a lot and I was glad to cut loose my Rikon on the last move.

I realize CL is CL, but I’ve been combing through used tool companies and various websites including CL and i’m absolutely amazed at how much money some of these loons want for a used 14 inch…be it a Delta or whatever. Most of them are in shit condition and the owners seem to know that if they just hold out, some schmuck will pay them what they want for it.

Had a guy recently ask five hundred dollars for a 14 inch Rockwell circa ‘82…all original, but for a new motor. I had a lovely rational convo with the guy and tried to explain to him that that saw was really only worth $200 max on a good day and he just laughed and said eventually someone would pay for it and he was in no hurry… Good on ya buddy..

My wife is a trained economist so we have lots of conversations about the free market…and I know a lot of you guys are hardcore right wing capitalists…which…I suppose is the reason it seems like some guys are intentionally creating a bubble in the used saw market. LOL. They never got the memo that if you want to pay less for saws all around, YOU JUST HAVE TO PAY LESS FOR SAWS ALL THE WAY AROUND. People are only asking this much because other people are willing to pay it…(See California home prices)

Anyway, I suppose this is just a long useless rant to beg the question, if you got a nice 14inch saw in the upper Eastern MD DE PA region that you want to get rid of for a reasonable/sane price, drop me a line.

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#1 posted 08-17-2016 02:16 AM

I’ve never had much luck with used machinery in any of the places I’ve lived. I don’t know where the cheap tools everyone says they always get are, but they aren’t where I am either.

Brian

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#2 posted 08-17-2016 02:25 AM

A lot is locality!! Was that a Merlot or a Cab you drank tonight???

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#3 posted 08-17-2016 02:28 AM

OWWM Rule No. 8: It always appears there are more old woodworking machines in places where you aren’t.

Actually, your story is not unique in the least. For every 100 machines that show up, maybe 1 or 2 will be a worthwhile purchase, and maybe 1 out of 1000 or more will be a killer deal. Sometimes there will be several show up all around the same time, and sometimes there won’t be squat for months. If you are patient and ready to pounce when one shows up, you can and will find some fantastic deals. Problem is, most people today are searching for instant gratification and unwilling to wait (or control their urge to jump on the first pseudo-good deal that shows up because they are impatient).

Cheers,
Brad

PS: And the above doesn’t even take into account all the deals that came and went without you even seeing them because they went so quick.

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#4 posted 08-17-2016 05:49 AM

You should try to buy a used drill press around here. Decent ones sell like ice water in hell.
What’s worse is old machine parts. People ask stupid amounts of money for them under the belief that you have to pay. I know guys who have parts they’ve been trying to sell for over 10 years. I guess no matter how long it takes, they’ll wait until inflation catches up with their unreasonable prices. Have an uncle like that, he’ll sit on something for decades until that one person (sucker) finally comes along to pay his price. Not me, once I decide to sell something I want it gone and out of my life.

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#5 posted 08-17-2016 06:01 AM

Part of the problem is the inflation of new bandsaw prices caused by companies tacking on tons of features that aren’t all that useful for bandsaws.

Take this Powermatic for example.

Powermatic 1791216K Model PWBS-14CS Deluxe 14-Inch

It has so many extras it ends up running over $1,000. But ultimately, my $500 Delta machine with the Kreg fence add-on works just as well because it has all the important features and left off the unnecessary ones.

When people see new bandsaws selling for $1,100 they will assume their used ones are worth $500.

In the Chicago area, I have no problem finding good, used tools. Right now there is a decent Rockwell 14” for sale for $350. It is worth every penny of that because it has the good guide blocks and includes a Kreg fence which negates the need to spend over $100 to get a nice after-market fence.

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#6 posted 08-17-2016 06:45 AM

You can’t blame a guy for getting all that the traffic will bear. And then there are the low ballers. The low ballers only get one chance with me.

I away though a seller has the right to asked what ever he wants and a buyer has the right to refuse it.

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#7 posted 08-17-2016 11:19 AM

These are some very cathartic responses… Thanks


I ve never had much luck with used machinery in any of the places I ve lived. I don t know where the cheap tools everyone says they always get are, but they aren t where I am either.

I was really fortunate to run into some good deals on the West Coast. You get a bunch of wealthyish people that buy brand new equipment, use it once then sell it for pennies. Still got my six inch Jet jointer that I bought in mint condition from a surfer guy for $75! It was less than four months old when I bought it.


A lot is locality!! Was that a Merlot or a Cab you drank tonight???

It was a Voigner… LOL.. A good one too.


OWWM Rule No. 8: It always appears there are more old woodworking machines in places where you aren’t.

Actually, your story is not unique in the least. For every 100 machines that show up, maybe 1 or 2 will be a worthwhile purchase, and maybe 1 out of 1000 or more will be a killer deal. Sometimes there will be several show up all around the same time, and sometimes there won t be squat for months. If you are patient and ready to pounce when one shows up, you can and will find some fantastic deals. Problem is, most people today are searching for instant gratification and unwilling to wait (or control their urge to jump on the first pseudo-good deal that shows up because they are impatient).

Yup. Good thing I’m one patient mofo. I’m just ready to get on with it and start making some bandsaw boxes again. LOL

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#8 posted 08-17-2016 11:25 AM

Human nature: everyone wants to sell high and buy low…no matter what the product (house, tools, etc.).

-- "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good." Voltaire

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#9 posted 08-17-2016 11:29 AM



Human nature: everyone wants to sell high and buy low…no matter what the product (house, tools, etc.).

- ellen35

I don’t know about that….many Americans have proved that they LOVE to pay too much for a thing just so they can brag about how much they paid for said thing… That’s what America was built on…status symbols. ;-)

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#10 posted 08-17-2016 01:30 PM

I have 9” bench top bandsaw and a 20” bandsaw that is for now a dedicated resaw machine and the 9” saw leaves much to be desired most of the time. I too am looking for a decent used 14” bandsaw and most of the Delta and Rockwell machines in decent shape (not rusted all to hell) around me are hovering in the $600 range, maybe a little less for an open stand but not much. I missed a nice full cabinet Rockwell for $165, the ad had been up for an hour and I was the second to call, needless to say the first caller bought it. I have numerous alerts set up, but I don’t check email on my phone so that probably cost me the first caller spot. I have also tried to reason with sellers as to why I think something is worth what I’m willing to pay, but they’re non receptive every time and whether or not they sell for their asking price, who know? At least on ebay you can see what something sold for.

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#11 posted 08-17-2016 01:40 PM



I have 9” bench top bandsaw and a 20” bandsaw that is for now a dedicated resaw machine and the 9” saw leaves much to be desired most of the time. I too am looking for a decent used 14” bandsaw and most of the Delta and Rockwell machines in decent shape (not rusted all to hell) around me are hovering in the $600 range, maybe a little less for an open stand but not much. I missed a nice full cabinet Rockwell for $165, the ad had been up for an hour and I was the second to call, needless to say the first caller bought it. I have numerous alerts set up, but I don t check email on my phone so that probably cost me the first caller spot. I have also tried to reason with sellers as to why I think something is worth what I m willing to pay, but they re non receptive every time and whether or not they sell for their asking price, who know? At least on ebay you can see what something sold for.

- bigblockyeti

Funny you mention Ebay. I actually sent a pretty scathing message to a guy the other day selling an early 90's delta 14inch for $1595... It was mind boggling and there was absolutely nothing to justify this asking price.

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#12 posted 08-17-2016 02:47 PM

The Delta 28-303 does have a two speed gearbox and a variety of pulley steps to choose different speeds so I can be expected to be a bit more expensive given the additional versatility it offers but that is still WAY too high! I just check my area again and not too far away there’s Delta 52-965, nearly the exact same thing only without the gearbox, listed for $450 and it looks just as good + made in USA. If I really needed one, I would be all over it!

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#13 posted 08-17-2016 03:19 PM

The only listings you’ll see on craigslist are the ones that didn’t sell. The $200 delta 14” band saw sold 10 minutes after it was listed. So unless you are checking cl at least every hour or so, you’ll never see the good deals (or even the decent deals) listed, only the overpriced listings last. I’ve been watching for a drill press for several months. I see good deals about every 2 weeks but they are always too far away. And they are always sold by the end of the day.

-- Matt - Phoenix, AZ

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#14 posted 08-17-2016 03:49 PM



The only listings you ll see on craigslist are the ones that didn t sell. The $200 delta 14” band saw sold 10 minutes after it was listed. So unless you are checking cl at least every hour or so, you ll never see the good deals (or even the decent deals) listed, only the overpriced listings last. I ve been watching for a drill press for several months. I see good deals about every 2 weeks but they are always too far away. And they are always sold by the end of the day.

- onoitsmatt

You say that, but a lot of those guys with good deals don’t know how to delete their listings. There was a Delta Rockwell sitting on CL for three weeks listed for $150. I must have emailed that guy ten times over the two weeks, basically just asking if the durn thing was still available. The guy ended up telling me it was available…I drove to his house to pick it up and as I was arriving there was another guy leaving with the saw in the back of his truck. The old cooter thought he’d been talking to one person and he’d actually been talking to two or three. Talk about frustrating.

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#15 posted 08-17-2016 04:01 PM

Look/ask on owwm.org – there are a lot of collectors
in the area that have machines they’d sell reasonably
to a good home. I’m not making any promises but
a lot of these guys hit auctions and pick up surplus
machines like crazy.

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