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Forum topic by KnickKnack posted 08-10-2016 04:04 PM 580 views 1 time favorited 8 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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KnickKnack

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08-10-2016 04:04 PM

Topic tags/keywords: japanese saw dozuki kataba ryoba

I’m just back from the ‘shop, where I was cutting some finger joints using a Kataba that I bought a couple of years go. So impressed was I when I first bought it that I subsequently added a Ryoba, Dozuki and different sized Kataba.

It would not be an overstatement to say that these saws have revolutionized my woodworking – no longer do I dread having to reach for a saw – no longer do I spend yonks cleaning up ragged, bent cuts made with “push technology” saws – no longer do I use my router to cut straight lines – no longer do I have to stop the music to make a cut!

And it occurred to me that I should try and learn more about how to best use these things – and where better to ask, of course, than here?

Ideally I’d like to watch videos of masters using these saws – I’m not even sure of the “best” way to hold them – point the finger or not? Whilst I’m a subscriber to the “if it works for you…” theory, I’m also open to trying to learn new tricks from my betters.

Any hints for best use would also be useful…
  • I can cut beautifully straight, clean lines – but not always in the right direction!
  • When I do get the line in the right place, it’s often not quite vertical.
  • I know the Dozuki has the steel back, but when should I use that rather than the Kataba?
  • My Ryoba is great for rip cutting, but when would I use the flip side for cross-cutting, when I have the others that will do that too?

I know there’s a (somewhat expensive) gizmo I can attach to the wood to help with those first two issues, but I’d prefer to be able to do it right myself.

Thanks in advance for any pointers.

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KnotCurser

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#1 posted 08-10-2016 04:12 PM

Well, I have heard that using a mirror to show a reflection of the blade helps with vertical issues. That same with drilling vertically.

I will be following this topic to see what others come up with!

Cheers,

-bob

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#2 posted 08-10-2016 04:15 PM

Great Topic! I don’t have a Japanese saw. RE: cutting the wood I think you might benefit from Paul Sellars videos on YouTube. Especially cutting a rip and how to stay accurate with the cuts. Got to go see some clients and I’ll check this out later tonight to see what comments have been posted.

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Joe Lyddon

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#3 posted 08-10-2016 06:08 PM

I too have seen the Mirror put to good use to ensure a Vertical cut… Just pay attention to the reflection of the saw blade to the workpiece… you will see how you know when it’s Vertical.

This should be a very interesting subject…

Thank you.

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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#4 posted 08-10-2016 07:38 PM

I am still pretty new to using a pull saw like this and what I have found that helps me is to grip with both hands and keep it centered on my body, otherwise i have a tendency to wander to one side or the other. Like this (If it doesn’t start in the right spot, skip ahead to 3:12).


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#5 posted 08-12-2016 05:27 PM

darinS

Great videos… What a Craftsman / TOOLS / good knees!

My knees could NOT take what he did… Loved his workbench, hooks, sleds, etc.
Power tools were awesome! (NONE)... :)

Very educational…

Thank you!

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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#6 posted 08-12-2016 07:36 PM

I agree Joe, I am definitely in awe of his skill.

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canadianchips

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#7 posted 08-12-2016 10:14 PM

I bought an antique japanese saw few years ago. Every tool I buy I try it once! This saw was amazing, I now use it a lot more(few teeth missing) I did buy a stanley version 2 years ago. I carry it from jobsite to site. I no longer carry a “standard western style hand saw). I still collect them, sharpen them, but I pickup my pull saw first.

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#8 posted 08-13-2016 04:19 PM

For long cuts I almost always wedge the cut open and then swap sides as I progress through the cut.

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