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Forum topic by mike02130 posted 08-08-2016 07:34 PM 513 views 0 times favorited 15 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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mike02130

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08-08-2016 07:34 PM

I’ve been in the market for a scrub plane. I don’t care for the Stanley/LN versions. I checked out an ECE wooden model that was in the $130.00 range, then I looked to see what the Epay Pimps were offering and after being disgusted by that lot, I remembered I had an old rusty seized up Stanley No4 plane I found in a barn. I figured I’d make a feeble yet valiant attempt to save that plane.

The thing was welded together with rust. I soaked every screw with Liquid Wrench and let it sit overnight. I removed the blade and proceeded to remove the frog screws. One came out easily and the other had a damaged head and was stuck. I took it to the drill press and drilled out the head. The frog was stuck on the sole and I had to knock it loose with a mallet. I center punched the screw and then I chucked up a #25 drill bit and drilled through the old screw. I then used a 10-24 tap and cut new threads.

I placed the frog in a vise and tried to work the brass nut off with a pair of channel locks. It was locked to the screw. The screw started turning but before it came out the casting broke. Oh well, I took a cold chisel and busted the fork off and out of the way of the blade.

I had no choice but to take it to a wire wheel. I put it back together using a new allen screw and washer. It snugged up tight.

I put the blade back in and that’s it for now. There is no adjuster, but that may work out better, seeing that it will be a scrub. The tools I used other than a grinder and drill press were,,,,,,

This is what it looks like now,

The next step will be to camber and sharpen the blade and file the throat.

-- If the tool was invented after the Depression, I don't need it.


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Bill White

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#1 posted 08-08-2016 08:03 PM

Now let’s see…...How much time did ya spend on that rust bucket, sharpening, etc.?
I just passed on a nice #40 ‘cause I found one without shipping.
Ya pays your money, and ya takes your chances.
Betcha that you’ve got more than $40.00 in it.
Not bummin’ ya by any means, but there is some price/value relationship to be considered.
Bill

-- bill@magraphics.us

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WhoMe

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#2 posted 08-08-2016 08:05 PM

Wow, you’re a braver person than I would have been. I would have passed on that, even with what you’re doing to it. .
Looking forward to the completed plane though.

-- I'm not clumsy.. It's just the floor hates me, the tables and chairs are bullies, the wall gets in the way AAANNNDDD table saws BITE my fingers!!!.. - Mike -

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Tim

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#3 posted 08-08-2016 09:16 PM

Bill I’m guessing he just did it for the fun of playing around in the shop. If you’re having fun your time is free. But Mike, I’m guessing with the pitting that bad on the blade it’s not going to sharpen up well even for a scrub. It might even cut, but it will be more effort than a blade that you can sharpen properly.

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mike02130

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#4 posted 08-08-2016 11:34 PM

Well Mr White,

The plane was found. That means free. The screw and washer was in stock. I had an hour’s worth of fun and enjoyment doing it. I’ll have another twenty to thirty minutes filing and sharpening. I don’t charge myself for fun. Free fun is the best fun.

I guess the bet is off?

-- If the tool was invented after the Depression, I don't need it.

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#5 posted 08-09-2016 05:46 AM

For free I would have gave it a shot too.

Counting your free time with $$ is wage slave thinking. A guy told me once his time is too valuable to spend it goofing off [on hobbies]. I felt sorry for him.

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#6 posted 08-09-2016 10:17 AM

It’s not going to be usable with no blade adjustment.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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Don W

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#7 posted 08-09-2016 11:03 AM

You can’t fail if you don’t try. I’ve spent a lot of free time doing the same kind of thing. I once rebuilt a Jeep CJ rather than just going and buying a new one. I just don’t get the “just throw it away and get another one” mentality at all.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.net

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#8 posted 08-09-2016 11:38 AM

You’re taking something free that would have been tossed and giving it new life at zero out of pocket – why are people so opposed?

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#9 posted 08-09-2016 11:43 AM

Hello Mike, the experience alone is worth your time. I built my shop by putting back together tools, both hand and power, from tools mostly discarded by guys and gals who didn’t have the time to fix or knowledge. I have heard all the stories of how the guys just don’t think it’s worth the effort unless they get paid the big money for their time. Shame they will never have the pleasure of using a tool that they restored. I have had some very ugly tools and yet, they performed much better after restoration than most new ones. Hope the scrub plane works well for the intended use, have fun, make some dust.

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#10 posted 08-09-2016 12:00 PM

Good on ya Sir!

Having fun in the shop is waaaaaaaaayyyy under rated!

-- Garry fae Bonnie Scotland - https://www.facebook.com/pages/Garry-Macdonald-Woodwork/425518554215355?ref=hl

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mike02130

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#11 posted 08-11-2016 12:39 PM

FINISHED

I ground and sharpened the blade per Paul Sellers recommended 7” radius. I took a few swipes on a chunk of pine and it performed very well. I think I’ll grind it down to a tighter radius. The original blade is thrashed and after I experiment with different cambers on this one, I’ll swap it out with a more useable iron. I will also need to file the throat a bit more.

As far as the Naysayer who claimed it would not be “usable with no blade adjustment”, he is showing his lack of knowledge concerning Stanley hand planes, and may have learned something. It adjusts very well. I set the blade for a shallow cut, and if I want it deeper, I just tap on the iron with a hammer to lower it.

Then there is Mr. White’s odd negative remarks? I have about two hours of shop fun into it. I’d say that “rust bucket” works better than most scrub planes out there.

All in all, I am pretty impressed with what I have. I took a scrap yard plane and made it into something workable. I had fun doing it. The added bonus is, proving the Naysayers terribly wrong.

-- If the tool was invented after the Depression, I don't need it.

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#12 posted 08-11-2016 04:40 PM

I think you did a good thing and a good job. You turned junk into a useful tool.

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Bill White

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#13 posted 08-11-2016 06:58 PM

Mike, I in NO way meant to be demeaning. Please do not infer. That’s why I made the comment about “bummin’ ya”. My only response was to value your time.
I have a # 5 1/2 that I use as a scrub. Cambered iron, etc. Also, a “woodie” that really takes the beating as a scrub.
Regards, and best wishes.
Bill

-- bill@magraphics.us

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dhazelton

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#14 posted 08-12-2016 12:21 PM

“value your time”.....there are things we do that add value to life besides working for money. I value the time I spend in my garage because I derive pleasure from it. If I just weigh my worth by an hourly rate I can charge then life get’s pretty tired.

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#15 posted 08-12-2016 12:27 PM

I had fun doing it.

- mike02130

And for a hobbyist, that’s all that matters. Isn’t the reason we do hobbies because we enjoy them? If you enjoyed taking a total rust bucket of a plane and making something useful out of it, good on you.

-- "Good judgement is the result of experience. A lot of experience is the result of poor judgement."

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