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richgreer

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05-21-2010 10:41 PM

In my opinion, festool offers some genuinely innovative tools that can (and do) change the way we do woodworking. At the top of the list is the plunge saw. I have one and I think it is absolutely great for what it can do. It has changed, for the better, the way I make a number of cuts.

Probably second on the list are their dust extractors. There is nothing else quite like them. I am particularly sensitive to the fine dust from sanding and I have tried everything to control this dust. Nothing works better than a festool sander and the dust extractor. The dust extractor seems to capture virtually every particle of dust. This not only keeps the air clean, it also keeps the sandpaper from clogging up.

I would also give the domino jointer high marks despite the fact that I don’t own one and I am not sure I can justify the cost for the type of work I do.

After that, I think festool just offers very good routers, miter saws, cordless drills, hand held planers, etc. In these tools I see nothing particularly innovative and I cannot justify the high price (unless I can get a good deal on a used one).

The sanders are sort of a special situation. The dual mode on the rotex is somewhat innovative but other than that, the festool sanders are just good quality sanders at a high price. However, when coupled with a dust extractor, these sanders are incredible a providing dust free sanding.

I really like my plunge saw, dust extractor and sander. I also own a cordless drill and the OF 2000 E router but only because I bought them used at a very reasonable prices. Unless I get a great price on a used item, I doubt that I will buy any more.

I would appreciate other thoughts on festool.

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.


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Gary

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#1 posted 05-21-2010 10:47 PM

EXPENSIVE!

-- Gary, DeKalb Texas only 4 miles from the mill

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Knothead62

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#2 posted 05-21-2010 10:54 PM

I have to agree with Gary. Pricey! I’m sure that they are good quality. I like the idea of the plunge saw but it costs more than all the power tools I have in the shop.

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a1Jim

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#3 posted 05-21-2010 11:01 PM

I’ve never owned any festool products because I think most of them are over priced but for an example drills they can’t be that innovative when cost $ 300-$600 to drill a hole or drive a screw I’ll stick with $ 189 for a 18 volt dewalt. We all get used to what we use and think it’s the best and the more I spend on a tool the more I justify it, like my multi router. So if festool works for folks they should go for it.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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Chris

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#4 posted 05-21-2010 11:47 PM

I have the ts75 plunge saw, the C12 drill and the jigsaw…. I have over the years I have replaced of drills & saw enough to pay for these…. I also have the CT22 vac and the Ro150 sander. I have had ZERO issues in the 3 years I have owned them and the only issues I have ever had were of my own doing. Judging the quality of build and performance I seriously doubt I will ever have to replace them….

That’s worth it to me….

-- "Everything that is great and inspiring is created by the individual who labors in freedom" -- Albert Einstein

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hazbro

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#5 posted 05-22-2010 03:01 AM

The only Festool product that I have considered buying and might one day is that rail saw.

For the rest of their line, I don’t feel the extra dollars (lots of em’) for the slim margin of higher quality is remotely justified. As a coworker once said of Hilti (after we had roached 4 hiltis one after another) about their prices and salespeople: “they sure are prouder than shit”. That’s how I feel about Festool.

My cordless tools and hand held power tools are also dual use: wood shop and job site. I run almost all of the Milwaukee V28 cordless line (rattle gun, band saw, circular saw, drill, angle grinder, sawzall, etc..) in commercial applications so my tools need to be gang box tough. Those are the most durable and powerful cordless tools I’ve ever used. I need tools that can work wood, steel, and concrete; and Festool can’t even come close to them. And they cost less.

I just can’t justify paying double for a tool that won’t make me anymore money than the devil I know. That said, that rail saw might save me a ton of time (money), so I’m considering it.

-- measure once, keep cuttin' til it fits

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PurpLev

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#6 posted 05-22-2010 03:09 AM

they have some innovative tools, and some tools will pay for themselves for the professional. but others are just overpriced and without any reason. as for quality – dewallt, makita, and bosch are making tools that will last a lifetime at more reasonable prices. I think festool keeps their prices up for 2 reasons – 1. cause they feel they CAN, and 2. cause they are trying to aim themselves at a very specific market. is it worth it for the rest of us? mostly I think not. but yes they do make quality tools. is the “made in germany” sticker worth an extra $300? not for me.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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mvflaim

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#7 posted 05-22-2010 03:26 AM

I talked to a friend of mine yesterday and he said he can throw down a $1000 on tools and not even blink an eye because it’s a business expense. He just writes it off his taxes. He loves his Festool track saw and convinced me that I need one as well. Said it greatly increases his productivity. They have 10% off coupon on their website until the end of July.

-- http://mvflaim.wordpress.com/

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JerryS

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#8 posted 05-22-2010 04:03 AM

I used to think they were over priced , that changed when I started using them . I agree with you Rich . They have some innovative tools we could spend hours talking about . Festool does it right and everyone else trys to follow but they don’t come close . All good things come from Stuttgart .

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richgreer

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#9 posted 05-22-2010 04:09 AM

I did not realize they were made in Stuttgard. That’s were both of my motorcycles (BMWs) were made. Suddenly, I like festool even more.

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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surfin2

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#10 posted 05-22-2010 05:55 AM

EXPENSIVE! EXPENSIVE! EXPENSIVE!

-- Rick

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Eric in central Florida

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#11 posted 05-22-2010 05:17 PM

Their stuff is great but it just costs too darn much.

-- All glory comes from daring to begin.

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reggiek

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#12 posted 05-22-2010 05:52 PM

I too was one of the naysayers about Festool due to the expense of their tools. I purchased a Ts55 – at the time I purchased it there was nothing similar available on the market so I bit the bullet (Dewalt was on the verge of delivering theirs). This tool completely convinced me that these tools are very high quality and work as advertised. I have found numerous uses for the tool…cutting dados, tapering cuts, mitre cuts…etc..etc…this is much more than the panel cut down that I originally purchased it for. Not to mention that I can actually make the finish cut on a panel with de minimus (unnoticeable) chip out due to the quality of the blade and the rail chip reducer strip – my TS and mitre saw, even with expensive Forrest blades, have slightly more chip out.

I went on to purchase a Rotex 150 sander with CT22 vac, and have a Jig saw (barrel grip) on order. The rotex is the most innovative and useful sander I have ever used….combined with the Festool dust control system, it is also virtually dust free (you could actually apply finish after using this tool without having to wipe or blow off the surface). The sand paper lasts triple the other brands due to the innovative dust control, and saves you having to buy significantly more supplies.

Yes, indeed, they are expensive…but after seeing so many folks having difficulties with the Makita’s, Dewalts…etc….I believe that with Festooll you will realize a savings – by not having to keep replacing the above other brands and how well these tools work – less chip out, finish cutting, longer lasting consumeables…etc.

-- Woodworking.....My small slice of heaven!

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Knothead62

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#13 posted 05-22-2010 10:30 PM

10% off??? As my friend used to say, “If they were selling them 2 for a nickel, all I could say is, My ain’t they cheap!”
Kind of makes you wonder how folks made furniture before electricity was discovered and put to use.

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richgreer

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#14 posted 05-23-2010 01:05 AM

In defense of festool. 11 years ago I bought a new BMW motorcycle. I could have purchased a comparable Japanese model for quite a bit less. The BMW has served me very well and I literally believe I will continue to ride it for the rest of my life (hopefully another 20 – 30 years). It still has a great resale value but I would never sell it. I highly doubt that I would feel the same way about my bike today if I had purchased a Japanese bike.

I’m also the second owner of a 33 year old BMW motorcycle. The original owner only sold it because of deteriorating health. It still runs great and I think I will keep and, hopefully, ride it for the rest of my life. It’s value is actually going up.

One of the strategic problems BMW faces is that their owners just don’t trade in their bikes to get new ones.

Note that BMW motorcycles and festools are both headquartered in the same city in Germany.

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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rhett

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#15 posted 05-23-2010 01:29 AM

You get what you pay for. The amount of time I have saved using their track saw beaking down sheets of plywood and cutting angles has paid the “expensive” price ten fold. It is easy to justify the extra cost if you rely on your tools to make a living or simply expect consistent acurate results each and every time.

A Bently and a Hyundai will both get you from A to B, but which would you rather drive given the choice.

-- It's only wood.

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