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TheLight

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08-01-2016 02:33 PM

Topic tags/keywords: tablesaw new shop purchase advice question

Hi Everyone,
I’m finally setting up my shop after many years away from woodworking of any kind. I have most of the base hand tools I’ll need, but am lacking any larger power tools. After looking at my needs and immediate projects, I decided that a table saw was probably the best first purchase. After researching and reading, I’m a bit unsure how to proceed. My budget is about $1500 total, with maybe a bit extra for shipping. I’ve been trolling Craigslist with no luck, so new appears to be the best/only option.

Leading contenders:
Grizzly G0715P – Looks like a good saw for the money, but I don’t quite understand what is meant by “Hybrid”. Is it just a light-duty saw in a full cabinet? The obvious advantage would be having some spare money for another tool or some air filtration. I might need to spend it on a better fence though?

Grizzly G1023RLW – I do have 220v in the barn. This looks like the ideal starter saw, as it will grow with me for quite a while. The router table is a huge bonus in my mind as well. The con is that I’d have to spend a bit to get 220 to where the saw would be set up.

I did look at other brands (PM, Delta, Jet), but wasn’t really sure how to compare them. The Grizzly’s definitely seem to be the best bang for the buck, especially since they have a sale going on right now. I was wondering how their rails were, though. I do kind of have my eye on an Incra TS-LS ...

So I guess my question is, what am I not considering? What would you do if you had $1500 and were not just starting out, but were setting up your first shop and trying to take your hobby to the next level?

Thanks,
-Derek


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TheLight

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#1 posted 08-01-2016 02:58 PM

Update – I originally posted this on Friday, but it wasn’t approved till today. Over the weekend, I found many more great threads here comparing various saws from Grizzly and came to a decision over the weekend. I ordered the G1023RL in time to catch the sale, saving about $100 total.

I decided to go with this saw for a few reasons:
  • Dust collection was reported to be better on this model than the 690
  • I still don’t quite understand what the Polar models are, and since the 1023 is an older model, it should have more kinks worked out.
  • Since I have 220, this saw seemed a better fit for the long-haul.
  • I did not get the router table because the stock one seemed to be limited. I will put that money to a good router table insert later.
  • Turns out my old theater troupe (RPI Players) bought the same model a few years back and were very happy with it.

Are there things I should have considered that I missed? Any random comments? Is there anything I should do with this saw right out of the gate? (Besides read the manual, set it up carefully, etc). Any thoughts are much appreciated.

Thanks to all for providing such a great resource in this forum. Looking forward to contributing back as I can.

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muleskinner

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#2 posted 08-01-2016 03:22 PM

Solid choice.

Don’t know what Grizzly’s stock blade is like but putting that hundred bucks you saved toward a premium blade might be something to consider.

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#3 posted 08-01-2016 04:46 PM

If you have the bucks, consider the only blades I have used for over 30 years.
I own two Forrest Woodworker II blades.
I bought my first one at a tool show in Rockford Illinois over 30 years ago.
Before I sent it in for sharpening and replacing a tooth ( chipped on palette lumber about 10 years ago) I bought another as I did not want to be bladeless.
These blades, in a good table saw like yours, will give you spectacular results.

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"

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#4 posted 08-01-2016 10:44 PM

If you already have 220 in your barn, it shouldn’t be too hard to run a 220 line to where the saw will be. It’s a pretty simple job. Get a wiring handbook from your big box store and that will walk you through the necessary steps, unless of course local laws don’t permit you to do your own wiring.

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#5 posted 08-01-2016 10:57 PM

The G1023R series is an excellent bang for the buck for a hobbyist. It’s a much more substantial saw than the G0715P, or any hybrid for that matter. The PM and Delta are generally considered a step up for considerably more money. The Jet is a great saw too… arguably a smaller step up, with a longer warranty than Grizzly and good dealer support. Any of these saws should be plenty capable. The actual end performance depends heavily on setup and blade choice.

The G1023R series is a redesigned modern version of their old G1023S. Ironically, the G0690 is more similar to the old G1023S having the more traditional swing arm and triple v-belt drive mechanism. The new G1023RL has vertical threaded blade height mechanism that uses dovetail ways, and has a more modern serpentine drive belt. The stock rip capacity on the G0690 is greater, but both can actually be increased if need be…see the link below. The fences are similar, but the G1023 still uses the Shop Fox Classic fence. The 1023 is made in Taiwan, the G0690 in China. The dust chutes are in different locations on each, which might make a difference to you. There doesn’t seem to be a clear cut winner between the two….opinions from owners tend to fall right down the middle. There are pros and cons to each, but both are really nice saws at an excellent price. I’ve had a Shop Fox W1677, which is essentially the same as the old G1023SL since 2008…it’s been a great saw.

The Incra is an awesome fence that’s tough to beat for precision and repeatability, but I’d give the Grizzly (Shop Fox) Classic a good try before deciding on a fence upgrade. You may find that the stock fence is more than pretty good on it’s own.

The ABC's of Table Saws

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#6 posted 08-02-2016 02:46 AM

I have the G1023RLW and use the router extension all the time. Given the space saving that it affords and the amount of use it gets I’m very, very pleased with the option.

All that said, I have a love/hate relationship with Grizzly. They give the weekend woodworker access to equipment that we’d otherwise likely not buy, but you do have to be ready to take apart and fix your own machine. So yeah, I have a great cabinet saw, but had to replace the arbor bearings within 12 months of weekend use, and the pulley key set screw 2nd set was missing. So check that before you assemble, and frankly I’d have a set of new quality japanese bearings waiting for you when the machine arrives and swap them out before putting the wings on. But you need a dial indicator align the blade to the table after pulling it off.

But when it’s working, which is more often than not, I love my saw. And there’s really no way I would have bought a PM cause I just couldn’t justify it. So I got a great saw. Had to spend time repairing it, but oh well, them’s the tradeoffs.

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skatefriday

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#7 posted 08-02-2016 02:48 AM

And invest in a CMT 80 tooth crosscut and 24 tooth rip blade.

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bonesbr549

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#8 posted 08-02-2016 11:12 AM

I had the 1023SLX for over 10 years and it was an execellent Saw. Would still have it today but wanted to step up to a 5hp Sawstop. I sold it used for 800 after 10 years you won’t be disapointed.

As to the blade any stock blade is a throw away.

I’ve been using forrest blades forever and you won’t go wrong with them. I’ve used the WWI & II and the rip blade for thin stock.

Good luc and post pic’s of your new toy!

-- Sooner or later Liberals run out of other people's money.

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oldnovice

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#9 posted 08-02-2016 05:36 PM

I ve been using forrest blades forever and you won t go wrong with them. I ve used the WWI & II and the rip blade for thin stock.

- bonesbr549

Glad to hear that you use Forrest blades too so I am not the only one that really likes these saw blades!

At the trade show in Rockford Illinois, where/when I bought my first Forrest WW II, I met Jim Forrest and heard him describe what his company is all about. He said that Freud produces more blades in one month than Forrest does in one year.

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"

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TheLight

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#10 posted 08-02-2016 05:41 PM

Thanks for all the feedback folks.

I’ll definitely pick up another blade first. Those Forrest ones do look rather nice.


Get a wiring handbook from your big box store…

Already done. :)

@knotscott – Thanks for the links. I’ll definitely be holding off on the Incra rails for a while. Need to build back up the toy fund.

@skatefriday – I plan to put a router table in eventually to save space. Thanks for the heads up on the bearings, I’ll keep an eye out for that problem.

Delivery is scheduled for Thursday or Friday right now. Hopefully there won’t bee any shipping delays.

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bigJohninvegas

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#11 posted 08-02-2016 07:13 PM

I just ordered the G0533×2 band saw. Ordered on Wednesday, delivered on the following Monday. Suprised how fast they got it to me. I know several who have bought from grizzly, and all are happy. I agree with the forest saw blades. I think they are the best.

-- John

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TheLight

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#12 posted 08-09-2016 05:24 PM

Welp, I had to delay delivery till yesterday because I was out of town. When I got home from work, this nice large box greeted me.

I managed to get everything unloaded and the cabinet on its mobile base last night. Took about an hour and a half.

Tonight’s task is getting the wings on and seeing about some 220 line moving. Then I’ve got some cleanup and alignment work to do, and I can finally get started making some sawdust.

Thanks again for all the comments and suggestions.

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MT_Stringer

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#13 posted 08-09-2016 06:10 PM

I think you are going to love it. I bought one several years ago and haven’t had any problems with it.

Since I work out of a one car garage, my work bench is also my outfeed table The saw and thee bench don’t move. Everything else is on casters or mobile bases.

Good luck.
Note: I followed Knotscott’s instructions to move my fence assy 10 inches to the right. I now have the capability to rip up to 37 inches in width.

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oldnovice

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#14 posted 08-09-2016 06:31 PM

I am also green, like the saw base, with power tool envy!
Nice piece of machinery.

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"

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#15 posted 08-09-2016 07:28 PM



Glad to hear that you use Forrest blades too so I am not the only one that really likes these saw blades!

At the trade show in Rockford Illinois, where/when I bought my first Forrest WW II, I met Jim Forrest and heard him describe what his company is all about. He said that Freud produces more blades in one month than Forrest does in one year.

- oldnovice

I would hope so it’s a much bigger company, but their industrial model blades are just as good as the WWII, I know I’ve used both and I own the 1023RL that you just bought. It’s a great saw but I am not a fan of beisemyer style fence so I bought a VerySuperCoolTools fence and it’s awesome.

-- Nick, "Choking to death on bacon is like getting murdered by your lover." - JG

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