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07-25-2016 10:53 AM

who owns/moderates or decides to place an item in the Daily Top 3 ? I see a LOT of repetitive decisions when there are others that are more deserving that day.
inquisitive minds want to know ?

-- Dick, Malvern Ohio - Your imagination is your only holdup


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#1 posted 07-25-2016 11:58 AM

You got me on that one, I’ve tried to figure it out to no avail. At first I thought it was number of views, nope – doesn’t seem to be it. Number of comments?, I’ve seen the reverse of this too. It does have something to do with the first 24 hours though.
Only thing I haven’t checked is number of views multiplied by the number of comments. Didn’t have enough interest to do this.

Good luck on the search.

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#2 posted 07-25-2016 12:07 PM

It’s some kind of “New earth science” with a mix of math in there. Pretty sure it’s based on the number of views, number of shares, comments and number of favorited, but I have no idea of the formula they use. Because …




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#3 posted 07-25-2016 12:18 PM

Just ask Cricket

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#4 posted 07-25-2016 12:26 PM

It’s an algorithm based on various factors and only applies within the first 24 hours after the project is posted. I don’t know that the exact formula has been shared, but the three things that seem to count are views, comments and favorites. Some kind of point system is in place that counts favorites as more than comments and comments more than views.

If a project has been favorited several times, that can launch it into the Top 3 over something with more comments and views, but less times favorited. Since there is a 24 hour window, a lot also depends on how many projects have been posted recently. We’ve had days with so few projects posted over the previous day that the Top 15 only has nine or ten projects.

The recurring complaint that comes up is some beautifully built projects never get to Top 3, while simpler ones do. That’s because people tend to favorite things they might want to build or take inspiration from in the future and a project that takes a very high level of skill to complete is less likely to have a lot of people feel they can build it, so they don’t put it into favorites. Shop jigs and similar are frequent recipients of Top 3 awards for this very reason—they would be useful to a lot of members, so get favorited so they can be saved for the future.

Likewise, a project from someone who is a frequent contributor on the site and has a lot of people who know who they are and appreciate their work will tend to get a lot of comments, which ups the tally toward Top 3.

I see a LOT of repetitive decisions when there are others that are more deserving that day.

- recycle1943

Deserving in whose eyes? That’s the question and dilemma when you are trying to set up something like this. I’ll be the first to admit that I’ve had a couple projects get Top 3 that didn’t deserve it based on the skill they took to complete, such as my drill press table. They got there because they were found to be useful. Is useful less deserving than beautiful? Depends on the person you ask. For those that favorited, useful was obviously more important.

Personally, I don’t care about Top 3 awards themselves, I just post projects to share what I’ve been doing with other woodworkers. Others do care about Top 3 and it’s a source of pride to them. Doesn’t make one of us right and one wrong, just different takes on the same topic.

If you want to help a project attain Top 3, post a comment and put it into your favorites. Even if you don’t want to build it later, you can remove it from favorites after the 24 hour period is up and you’ve helped the maker toward the award.

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#5 posted 07-25-2016 12:28 PM

Who’s Cricket ?

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#6 posted 07-25-2016 12:31 PM

@JayT – Thanks, more info than I expected.
I’m not concerned about MY projects making Top 3, I guess I was just wondering why when someone posts a project, it AUTOMATICALLY goes to top 3 regardless of views, comments or anything. It just goes – every time

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#7 posted 07-25-2016 12:34 PM



@JayT – Thanks, more info than I expected.
I m not concerned about MY projects making Top 3, I guess I was just wondering why when someone posts a project, it AUTOMATICALLY goes to top 3 regardless of views, comments or anything. It just goes – every time

- recycle1943

Never seen a project “automatically” go to Top 3. Next time you see one you feel that has happened to, check the number of favorites for that project versus others that are in the Top 15. With the weight given to favorites in the algorithm, even one more time favorited than another project will push it far ahead in the tally.

-- "Good judgement is the result of experience. A lot of experience is the result of poor judgement."

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#8 posted 07-25-2016 07:49 PM

Think of it as most popular and it makes a lot more sense. At first it was one of the first things I would check out as one would think it would showcase some really amazing pieces. Didn’t take long to see that it did at times and others it was essentially a participation ribbon.

I think overall the way it is done satisfies more of the base that uses the site. If it were more like Fine Woodworking’s Reader Gallery not so much. It is successful that it gets participation and increases the site activity. I know some really enjoy looking at all the projects others like to check out a smaller group of guys work.

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#9 posted 07-25-2016 11:02 PM

I can tell you one thing that is an absolute certainty ….. if you ever have one hit the Top 3 … it’s a fleeting moment !

By the time you get the email from LJs that you have one in the Top 3, then you open LJs to see it, it’s usually gone already.

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#10 posted 07-25-2016 11:09 PM



Think of it as most popular and it makes a lot more sense. At first it was one of the first things I would check out as one would think it would showcase some really amazing pieces. Didn t take long to see that it did at times and others it was essentially a participation ribbon.

I think overall the way it is done satisfies more of the base that uses the site. If it were more like Fine Woodworking s Reader Gallery not so much. It is successful that it gets participation and increases the site activity. I know some really enjoy looking at all the projects others like to check out a smaller group of guys work.

- TravisH

+1
Some people that get a top 3 deserve it.
Some just get patted on the back by all their buddies and get it.
Some deserve it, but don’t hardly get a mention.

I don’t put much weight on it. Just, like the ones I like, and move on.

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#11 posted 07-26-2016 02:00 AM


Think of it as most popular and it makes a lot more sense.

+1
Some people that get a top 3 deserve it. Some just get patted on the back by all their buddies and get it.
Some deserve it, but don t hardly get a mention.

I don t put much weight on it. Just, like the ones I like, and move on.

- jbay

Jbay – used your big hammer on that nail and drove it home !
That might be the answer to my query because some of the items are totally so-so and go immediately to the top 3 probably because of personality popularity and not craftsmanship.

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#12 posted 07-26-2016 03:06 PM

@JoeinGa – mind if I steal your cat ? Unfortunately, I have some friends that would TOTALLY understand it.

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#13 posted 07-26-2016 09:16 PM



@JoeinGa – mind if I steal your cat ? Unfortunately, I have some friends that would TOTALLY understand it.

- recycle1943

Oh yeah, go for it. It’s just something I found on the Interwebs and saved it for future use.

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#14 posted 08-09-2016 07:37 PM

OK – it happened again today. item was posted and had 3 comments, went straight to top 3 and a second one did the same. evidently nothing to do with the product, just a matter of how many friends someone has

-- Dick, Malvern Ohio - Your imagination is your only holdup

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