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ocwoodworker

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1570 days ago

I watched the video by Charles Neil about his “miracle in a can” blotch control. This is a water based sealer and Charles mentions that you can put an oil stain on a water base but not the reverse. Does that mean you can’t put a water based finish on top of an oil base gel stain?

-- I'd like to believe Murphy's Law haunts my woodshop, because if it's Karma it would mean I had something to do with it. - K.R.


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#1 posted 1570 days ago

GEt a little water and oil. You will see oil always floats on water :-))

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#2 posted 1570 days ago

Why don’t you ask Charles?

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#3 posted 1570 days ago

A finish (lacquer, varnish, poly) doesn’t need to penetrate like a stain or sealer does. So a water-based finish atop an oil-based gel stain is totally fine. But an oil-based sealer will prevent a water-based stain from penetrating.

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#4 posted 1570 days ago

water on oil, works as long as it is totally dry, the pre stain is water base , when dry its compatable with anything, but a safe bet, if using oil, and your not sure its dry is to give it a thin coat of 1/2 lb dewaxed shellac, this makes for an assured bond, the issue however with gels is they can build a heavier film, some are oil some are poly some are urethane, the heavier film gels produce can be Lifted or wrinkled up by shellac or other solvent products, so test for sure… thin and poor drying oils are not a good bet on the prestain, oils like BLO , for example, i did however do a test using general Finish Danish oil and it did super.. but be sure its dry , dry means you can scuff sand it and it will powder .. but often poly and urethane gels do not , because they as more elastic in nature..

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#5 posted 1570 days ago

Thanx Charles for the tip. I ordered two cans that should be here tomorrow. Looking forward to seeing the results. I’ll post the cherry step stool that will be done with your product. Can’t wait!!

-- I'd like to believe Murphy's Law haunts my woodshop, because if it's Karma it would mean I had something to do with it. - K.R.

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Domer

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#6 posted 1569 days ago

Can you use on top of General Finishes Arm-R-Seal?

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ocwoodworker

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#7 posted 1566 days ago

Haven’t tried that yet.

-- I'd like to believe Murphy's Law haunts my woodshop, because if it's Karma it would mean I had something to do with it. - K.R.

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#8 posted 1559 days ago

Domer, this is designed to go on first to prevent blotching and uneven absorbtion as well as to help get even coloring, it is not a finish, you would not want to use it OVER arm r seal, but under it , it will do fine

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