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Blackie_

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07-21-2016 02:01 PM

I was hoping someone that has knowledge in this might be able to shed some light on how this builder is securing the elastic felt pouch inside of the lid?

I’m planing on building a couple jewelry boxes and would like to implement this necklace holder into my lids.

Thanks

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HokieKen

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#1 posted 07-21-2016 02:13 PM

Looks like you could capture it in the same slot as the panel? Maybe make the panel grooves just a hair wide and wedge the material in with the panel?

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Tooch

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#2 posted 07-21-2016 02:54 PM

Randy, I’ve never done one of these, but I would make a second lid panel, like a false top. That would allow you to wrap the material around it separately and then glue the false top to the actual lid.

The other option would be to make the pouch separate and just hot glue it/epoxy it to the bottom.

Good luck, can’t wait to see what you come up with!

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Blackie_

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#3 posted 07-21-2016 02:55 PM

Oh I never thought about that, makes sense.

cardboard panel, glued in via spray adhesive?

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#4 posted 07-21-2016 03:00 PM

I’ve taken those apart before, I find nice ones in flea markets garage sales tear them apart and repurpose them. Anyway I’ve never seen one that was made into the box they were always glued in some way or another. If you ever had to replace it for some reason you just rip it out glue in another, if not you have to dismantle the box which isn’t an option if its glued together. but the elastic can be held in with a small brad, you can leave a small unnoticeable opening at the end raise place brad lower

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Blackie_

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#5 posted 07-21-2016 03:05 PM

Here is what I used in the lid on my last box.

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#6 posted 07-21-2016 03:06 PM

Blackie_,

I can see a couple of ways the front of the pouch on the lid may be attached. The first is the pocket is sewn to the backing and the backing is adhered to the lid with adhesive.

The second is where the backing lining the lid is separate from the front of the pouch. In this case the front of the pouch could be stapled or tacked to the lid after the backing is glued in place.

Hiding the staples then becomes the challenge. I did not see welt cord or gimp along the sides of the lid of the box in the photo, but it could be present and difficult to see. Welt cord is a round cord with fabric sewn around the cord. It is typically stapled in the place, but I suppose it could be glued. The welt cord then springs back concealing the staples. Alternatively, since welt cord typically must be custom made to exactly match a given fabric, gimp could be used to hide staples or tacks. Gimp is glued over the staples and can be found in a variety of patterns and colors from upholstery suppliers.

Along the lines suggested by HokieKen, the staples could be concealed by a rabbet or dado around the perimeter of the frame that captures the lid’s panel, eliminating the need for welt cord or staples. Getting the right sized rabbet or dado that will accept the lid with fabric and staples would be the challenge. Additionally, the staples would have to be accurately placed so that the staples are fully concealed by the dado or rabbet.

The last method for concealing staples would be to apply decorative trim on the inside to the lid over the stapes. It is not apparent from the photo whether the artisan used this approach.

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jwmalone

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#7 posted 07-21-2016 03:34 PM

sew the front and back like a pocket the high end ones I’ve found were done that way leave the back large wrap it around card board ( or nice piece of veneer) glue in, nothing to hide and you can make it fit so snug and perfect you cant tell how its put in there. The simple way is usually the best. But that’s just my opinion and what I’ve seen taking them apart.

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Blackie_

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#8 posted 07-21-2016 05:34 PM

Thanks for the great comments, ideas, information and help, it all was very helpful. I’ll be putting something together very soon.

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DocSavage45

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#9 posted 07-21-2016 06:25 PM

Looking forward to this next evolution.

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Boxguy

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#10 posted 07-21-2016 08:23 PM

Blackie, when I built one, I used Tacky Glue (special fabric glue) and a thin wooden strip along the top and the inside bottom of the pouch. It is a little clunky but it has held up for years now.

-- Big Al in IN

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bosum3919

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#11 posted 07-21-2016 10:48 PM

Randy, here is how I would do it. Use 2 separate pieces in the lid. The one on the top is good figured wood that shows. The 2nd is a thin piece that doesn’t show. Attach the fabric with the pocket and elastic to the thin piece. You can wrap the fabric around the back side of the thin piece and glue, staple or what ever. Sandwich these 2 pieces together, cut a Dado into the lid for these 2 sandwiched together. Make sense or would a picture help? Anyway, that’s how I would do it.

-- Bob

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#12 posted 07-21-2016 11:15 PM

Maybe contact adhesive- just push one side to the inside at a time and it sticks right away with a pressure board against it.

I have never done one but I might be inclined to use contact adhesive if i could be real neat about it.

Bob has a pretty good idea too!!
Jim

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#13 posted 07-22-2016 12:49 AM

I’m with the school of thought that you line and make the pocket on a loose board of cardboard, MDF, ply or whatever – wrap and glue the material at the back of this board. It needs to be tight enough so that it would hold itself in with just a press fit, but it most likely needs to be glued to hold the additional weight of whatever is placed in the pocket. Spray adhesive should work, but hot glue would also be a possibility because it will fill the gaps that are created by the material between the lid and the backing board.

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Roger

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#14 posted 07-23-2016 02:31 PM

Thnx for posting this Randy. Again, I’m learning from ya’ll

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Blackie_

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#15 posted 07-23-2016 05:47 PM

Thanks Alan,

Bob I’m prob going to need a picture if not to much trouble, having a hard time trying to wrap my head around what you are describing.

Yes Jim and Alan the contact adhesive would be an option.

All great ideas thanks once again Tootles.

You’re welcome Roger.

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs

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