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Chiefwoodworker

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05-10-2010 02:42 PM

If you are interested in reading an independent review of 3Dconnexion’s SpaceNavigator 3D mouse, including a video, see SpaceNavigator Adds Additional Hand To 3D Drawing. For anyone who wants to improve drawing efficiency, this device is a must.

-- Joe.....


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#1 posted 05-10-2010 03:03 PM

yeah, thats a nice addition – although a mouse with a scroll wheel is pretty equivalent to that. there are also the “Shuttle Pro” from Contour Design at http://ergo.contourdesign.com/ which do the same thing but also have an array of extra buttons that can be mapped to other functionalities (I use it for video editing, and also have it mapped to sketchup functions).

FYI – I personally use a tablet with pen for all graphical/non-graphical applications these days, so much easier on the wrists, and has such a higher level or precision (especially when freehand drawing lines/curves). highly recommended.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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#2 posted 05-10-2010 03:31 PM

PurpLev,

What tablet do you use? I would like to try one.

Also, I have a SpacePilot PRO coming which I will evaluate. I think it does a lot of what the Shuttle PRO does.

-- Joe.....

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#3 posted 05-10-2010 03:47 PM

I have the Wacom Intuos2 which I have used since it came out to the market some years ago (they now sell the intuos4, which has new features – but the concept is one and the same – a tablet with pen for freehand drawing). after working with a pen, you realize how useless is a mouse when it comes to graphical interfaces, and any other interface for that matter as the pen is much faster, more natural, and easier to use. not trying to pitch the idea (it has been in the market for many many years) – just a very happy customer:

I personally started using it for intricate masking jobs in photoshop, and it took off from there.

I like the SpacePilot, it’s nice, small, useful, and high quality construction. however as I started, I have the shuttle pro, since I figured if I’ll have any additional instruments on my desktop- I’d rather have the additional buttons and functionality they provide (well, that, and the fact that I got it before the SpacePilot was introduced lol).

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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Mary Anne

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#4 posted 05-10-2010 03:52 PM

FWIW, I’ve used a Wacom Intuos3 9×12 for years and I highly recommend it. I recently purchased a Cintiq and I don’t quite have the hang of working with it yet; the parallax throws me off much more than I thought it would.

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#5 posted 05-10-2010 04:04 PM

PurpLev,

Thanks for the info. After I evaluate the SpacePilot I’ll try a tablet. I do a lot of PhotoShop work too, so maybe it would be a good investment.

-- Joe.....

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#6 posted 05-10-2010 04:06 PM

Mary Anne,

Now you have me needing to evaluate two tablets. Yours and PurpLev’s. Thanks for complicating my life. ;<)

-- Joe.....

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#7 posted 05-10-2010 04:12 PM

I’ll make it easier for you Joe, the Intous tablets are all the same, the number just represents the current sold model. otherwise they all work just the same. for SU you may not feel it’s true power as SU doesn’t have any freehand drawing , but for photoshop – drawing and cleaning up photos (masks, stamps, etc) there is nothing out there that can compare.

As for the Cintiq – the monitor/tablet- it really is a love/hate relationship.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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Mary Anne

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#8 posted 05-10-2010 04:29 PM

PurpLev,
Some days I think I would like the Cintiq better if I had gone for the 21”. Other days I am glad I didn’t blow the extra money on it.

Is there value in learning SketchUp if I already have the Adobe CS Suite?

Joe,
To confuse you even further, Wacom has recently come out with Bamboo line of tablets. I haven’t tried them, but I get the impression they are a budget line directed at a more casual user.

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Chiefwoodworker

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#9 posted 05-10-2010 04:35 PM

Thanks PurpLev. I’ll give it a try. BTW, If you live in Winchester, MA you may be interested in the Hand Tool Event in Beverly.

-- Joe.....

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#10 posted 05-10-2010 04:44 PM

Thanks for the link Joe – I might just end up going :)

As for the bamboo line of tablets – from what I understand they are replacing the old budget line of tablets which is a bit more plasticy than the intuos and have a slightly reduced resolution although working with both, for most operations you probably wouldn’t notice it – although the intuos DOES feel better (materials). the nice thing about the bamboo is that it has a model that has a combination of a track pad AND tablet all in one – pretty cool. I’ll stick to my intuos though lol.

As for SketchUp – Mary. yes, there IS value to SU for woodworkers. photoshop is good for – photos. but Sketchup is 3D modeling where you can design your projects from start to finish – including joinery, and other design elements. it lets you play around with the model and decide on how to do things before ever having to mill the lumber too short ;)

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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#11 posted 05-10-2010 09:10 PM

PurpLev, I plan on being there on either Friday or Saturday. Haven’t decided yet.

I have to spend some time on tablet research. It sounds – like anything else – there are numerous choices.

Mary Anne, I have to second PurpLev’s comments. SketchUp and Adobe CS have very little overlap. Adobe is great for photography, ad generation and marketing. SketchUp is ideally suited for the woodworker. I might add, it save you time and aggravation in the shop because you don’t have to build mock-ups or waste material because you didn’t understand the joinery before cutting. You can also generate cut lists easily. SketchUp does have a learning curve which you have to go through. But not nearly as steep as any other 3D CAD tool. And the price is unbeatable (free). I can’t say enough about it.

-- Joe.....

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#12 posted 05-11-2010 02:42 AM

Thanks, guys!
I’ve done my drawing in Illustrator and other Adobe products for so long that I hadn’t really thought about trying anything else. I’ll give SketchUp a try. Any tips for a good starting place on learning? The price is fantastic… especially when you compare it to the $$$ I just plunked down for the CS 5 Suite upgrade. New software is almost as good as a new power tool. :)

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#13 posted 05-11-2010 03:22 AM

Hi Mary Anne,

I am biased, but I believe a good place to start with SketchUp is my beginner's tutorial. And if you need help you can contact me directly from my Contact page.

-- Joe.....

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Mary Anne

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#14 posted 05-12-2010 07:58 AM

Joe,
This looks like an excellent series of tutorials. You put some serious time and talent into it. Thank you!

The generosity of the woodworking community is incredible. It lifts my spirits to see so much sharing of ideas and “how-tos” in these days when so many in the world are out for a buck and only looking out for #1.

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Chiefwoodworker

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#15 posted 05-12-2010 02:08 PM

I agree. Woodworkers seem to be a special breed. Always looking out for each other. And having fun doing it too.

-- Joe.....

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