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trevor7428

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07-12-2016 03:01 PM

New sharpener here looking for some assistance.

So I’ve been looking in the sharpening stones and at first I was really confusing, but I kind of have a little bit more understanding of how everything works. basically have the choice of water, oil and Diamond Stones. After doing my research, I believe I decided to use Diamond Stones.

I want to start to learn to sharpen my chisels and planes. I would love to find a set, that has all diamond stones I would need with one purchase. So far I found This

This has good reviews on amazon. Just worried about only being 2in wide, when working with plane blades.

Does anyone know of a better kit out there?

-- Thank You Trevor OBrion


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#1 posted 07-12-2016 04:31 PM

That’s a real nice looking set. I’ve been very satisfied with granite countertop scraps. wet/dry sandpaper and a Veritas MkII jig. I’m scheduling a whole week soon just for all the plane irons I have begging for attention.

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#2 posted 07-12-2016 04:38 PM

I have a 6×2 and it is doable for most irons. 8×3 is a big step up.

Personally, the edge left by an extra fine diamond stone isn’t good enough for me.

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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#3 posted 07-12-2016 04:42 PM

Personally, I have 4 stones – Coarse, Medium, Fine, Extra Fine. Unless I’m dressing a new tool or re-shaping a bevel, I never use coarse and rarely use medium. My recommendation would be the 8” continuous diamond stones in Fine and Extra fine. Use sandpaper on a flat surface when you need something coarser. Use a strop with some compound when you need something finer. Just my $.02, YMMV of course.

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#4 posted 07-12-2016 04:45 PM


I have a 6×2 and it is doable for most irons. 8×3 is a big step up.

Personally, the edge left by an extra fine diamond stone isn t good enough for me.

- TheFridge

I usually follow x-fine diamond with hard black Arkansas and/or green compound on leather strop FWIW.

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#5 posted 07-12-2016 05:09 PM



I have a 6×2 and it is doable for most irons. 8×3 is a big step up.

Personally, the edge left by an extra fine diamond stone isn t good enough for me.

- TheFridge

Can you comment more on this. I was thinking of doing the course, fine, and extra fine because I am frustrated with the mess and prep time for my water stones.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009H5C5M/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_16?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

I saw the set the OP posted and thought about that but some of my plane blades are much wider than the 2” so I don’t think that’s the best option. For 50-75% more money you get 100% more sharpening surface. Haven’t pulled the trigger yet because my water stones do fine, just a hassle.

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#6 posted 07-12-2016 05:11 PM



Personally, I have 4 stones – Coarse, Medium, Fine, Extra Fine. Unless I m dressing a new tool or re-shaping a bevel, I never use coarse and rarely use medium. My recommendation would be the 8” continuous diamond stones in Fine and Extra fine. Use sandpaper on a flat surface when you need something coarser. Use a strop with some compound when you need something finer. Just my $.02, YMMV of course.

- HokieKen

Love this advice!! Makes so much sense! I can pull out water stones and paper to do new stuff but my touch ups just on the two diamond blocks and a strop (which I already use). Love this….doing this. Still curious why the fridge doesn’t think the extra fine is good enough.

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ki7hy

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#7 posted 07-12-2016 05:25 PM

Sorry Trevor for hi-jacking a bit there. I definitely would go your route but I would get a larger sharpening surface. Just my thoughts.

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#8 posted 07-12-2016 05:38 PM

I have used diamond stone for sharpening and I have a pile of worn out plastic Dmts to prove it.
They start out great.But the sharpness of the grit is easy to fracture and dull.
I would recommend some water stones with your new setup.If you want to start hand planing some of your projects a fine grit water stone is a must.
But just like everyone else I still buy those cheap Dmts.Alwalys looking for that Magic bullit.

Aj

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#9 posted 07-12-2016 06:00 PM

IMHO the DMT sharpening system is the way to go. If you search DMT on Amazon you will also find an 8” and 10” offerings. I currently have a set of Shapton ceramic stones all the way up to 8000 grit. They are great stones but I think if I were to replace them I’d go with the DMT stones. However I do question this based on Aj2 comments.

I also have the Jet slow-speed wet-wheel grinder. Looking back possibly the DMT stones would be good enough to even replace it.

-- JohnT

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trevor7428

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#10 posted 07-12-2016 06:29 PM

Thanks everyone for the ideas. Like I said, I’m new into sharpening. Well technically haven’t even bought they stones yet lol, but stupid question. When is a strop and compound used? Is it only for diamond or all types of sharpening stones?

I guess I need to find a good YouTube video that explains it.

-- Thank You Trevor OBrion

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jgt1942

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#11 posted 07-12-2016 06:37 PM

The strop is used as the final sharpening step. If done correctly it will give you a razor sharp edge. However you need to learn how to get the tool properly sharpened before using the strop. Using a strop on a poorly sharpened tool will not do anything for you but polish the tool.

-- JohnT

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Bill White

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#12 posted 07-12-2016 07:36 PM

Check out David Weaver on the tube. This guy is the most practical professor about planes and chisels on the net, and he WILL respond to questions.
Bill

-- bill@magraphics.us

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Aj2

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#13 posted 07-12-2016 07:50 PM


IMHO the DMT sharpening system is the way to go. If you search DMT on Amazon you will also find an 8” and 10” offerings. I currently have a set of Shapton ceramic stones all the way up to 8000 grit. They are great stones but I think if I were to replace them I d go with the DMT stones. However I do question this based on Aj2 comments.

I also have the Jet slow-speed wet-wheel grinder. Looking back possibly the DMT stones would be good enough to even replace it.

- jgt1942
I think if you replace your Shaptons with Dmts you will be going backwards.
I also hollow grind on a tormek when I have no patience I use a my grinder.But I try to stay away from the grinder because it’s like watching a pencil disappear in a electric pencil sharpener.I have more time than money right now.
Here’s a pic of my sharpening station.I piled up some old worn out Dmts.
That’s also a well worn Drlp not cheap.Thank god it still has one good side.


IMHO the DMT sharpening system is the way to go. If you search DMT on Amazon you will also find an 8” and 10” offerings. I currently have a set of Shapton ceramic stones all the way up to 8000 grit. They are great stones but I think if I were to replace them I d go with the DMT stones. However I do question this based on Aj2 comments.

I also have the Jet slow-speed wet-wheel grinder. Looking back possibly the DMT stones would be good enough to even replace it.

- jgt1942


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bbasiaga

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#14 posted 07-12-2016 08:52 PM

FWIW, i am a new sharpener myself and I started out on a 1k/6k waterstone for my chisels. I eventually added a coarse diamond stone to flatten it with. I added a wider 4k/8k waterstone when I got a few hand planes. And later a fine diamond stone.

I’m not really sure what works best. The prevailing wisdom is that planes need to go to 6 or 8k and be stropped. And diamond stones don’t get that fine. I do kinda of feel waterstone work faster, but no real proof of that.

One thing I learned at a woodworking class that has made waterstone easier for me: just store them in a bucket of water. They are always ready. Pull it oit, flatten quickly on the diamond stone, sharpen, back in the bucket. Done. No wait rime, minimal mess.

I have taken to stripping after too. Makes a big difference on the paper test. Not real sure if it makes a difference on the wood.

Brian

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.

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bondogaposis

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#15 posted 07-12-2016 09:08 PM

I’m with Fridge, the extra fine diamond stones are still too coarse for final honing. I am currently using Norton water stone 8000 grit for a much finer edge.

-- Bondo Gaposis

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