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#1 posted 07-08-2016 07:25 PM

That’s an odd place to wear! I have that same backlit logitech keyboard, my hands rest to the left & right of that area. Maybe the rubber foot came off the keyboard and is rubbing against the wood? Does he wear a wristwatch which is rubbing against the wood?

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#2 posted 07-08-2016 07:32 PM

how long did you wait between the stain and the doing the first coat of finish

this looks more like a wear thru than a peeling

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#3 posted 07-08-2016 07:38 PM

I’d call it normal wear. I’ve worked on keyboards almost all my life, and everything develops a similar wear pattern after sustained use, no matter how durable the finish is. For example, here is a laptop that has worn through the silver finish down to the black plastic under it where my hands rest:

The finish on that laptop wasn’t defective in any way – it’s just the continued use and contact that wore it down.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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#4 posted 07-08-2016 08:28 PM

A peeling finish will leave a jagged edge a finger nail will pick up, this is a “feathered” edge . Like a sanded thru edge, definitely a wear thru , no finish with exception to possibly a heavy epoxy coating will hold up for a sustained period, something has abraded the ( like sand paper would ) this surface .

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#5 posted 07-08-2016 10:18 PM

What would I do?... Never use Minwax finishes again. I don’t even like their stain.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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#6 posted 07-09-2016 12:24 AM

I`m a residential painter, high end custom homes. Done tons of stain and clear coats I HATE POLYCRYLIC. it seems to do better over water based stain but for heavy wear no way especially in front of a key board. I always wait a couple of days to apply over oil based stain, I also charge extra when home owners ask for it they just don’t know it lol. I might be a lil biased in favor of oil but never liked polycrylic The fault probably lies with the customer ( the watch thing as mentioned or something) but you cant just say that then you look bad not good for business so on and so on. For desk that are heavly used I recommend a nice piece of plexy glass or glass looks nice saves a lot of trouble and its a cheap efective problem solve.

-- "Boy you could get more work done it you quit flapping your pie hole" Grandpa

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#7 posted 07-09-2016 07:12 PM

Maybe add a brass corner guard strip on the front edge; seems like this guy would wear through most finishes given time. The strip would wear harder and keep his hands slightly off the wood.

-- John

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#8 posted 07-09-2016 10:46 PM

Arm r seal would be my choice. Dont really know how it would hold up on a friction surface like this but imo, its the toughest finish ive ever used.

-- rock, chalk, jayhawk

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#9 posted 07-10-2016 09:04 PM

Apply extra coats to the problem area. At least, that would just take longer to wear through.
The real solution is to put something there to take the abuse. A piece of glass, or Plex, or a handrest, one of those cushions made for use with keyboards.

Friction will only wear down whatever surface it acts upon. My computer mouse has a texture on its exterior, but everywhere I touch it more than a little, it’s worn to a high shine. The arrow keys on my keyboard are on their way there (Tetris), though I have had my keyboard only maybe 1.5 years. (The KB it replaced is even more worn)

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#10 posted 07-10-2016 09:17 PM

It’s not a finish or application failure, it’s owner use/abuse. Offer to touch it up for a price, and to add brass or other trim for a price, and/or recommend a piece of glass to protect it. Wouldn’t use anything less than a poly, ob or wb, or conversion varnish, on a desk or dinner table.

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#11 posted 07-11-2016 07:50 PM

I agree, it appears to be just common wear and tear. Definitely not a defect on your part!

-- Greatness is a lot of small things done well everyday- Ray Lewis http://towncofurniture.com/

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#12 posted 07-15-2016 08:59 PM

You guys are funny. Very often on this board I see “that is customer’s fault …..” no matter what. I just hope to never become your customer.

In this case the photo is not good enough but it does look like it is peel, not regular wear. See the far left edge of the defect. And it worn through in mere 8 month!
I just went around the company where I work and checked the polyurethane covered desks where people do mostly typing, some more than 10 hours a day. These desks are years old and none exhibits anything remotely resembling the wear on the photo.

To OP. What is under the top coat? Is it oil based stain? Anything between the wood and the stain and between the stain and clear coat ?

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#13 posted 07-15-2016 09:12 PM

I agree with it wasn’t enough protection.
You knew it was a desk, which undoubtedly gets a lot of use, especially where you sit.
You have to meet the implied 1 year warranty in my opinion. I would repair it just to keep up my reputation.
Just my opinion.

-- My “MO” involves Judging others, playing God, acting as LJs law enforcement, and never admitting any of my ideas could possibly be wrong or anyone else's idea could possibly be correct -- (A1Jim)

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#14 posted 07-15-2016 09:31 PM

To Plain and jbay:

Minwax oil based finish was applied and allowed to dry for two days. (Per manufacturer instructions: “Wait at least 24 hours before applying Polycrylic® over Minwax® Wood Finish.”)

Then I applied several thin coats of Polycrylic, minimum two hours between coats, lightly scuffed with 320 grit between coats. I watch the temp and relatively humidity in my shop and take that into consideration when finishing, of course.

I would assume if the application was flawed, the finish would have failed sooner than 8 months down the line. So I’m mostly just confused.

I have the same desk, finished identically, for two years and no wear at all. I have sold about 400-500 of these desks over the years and no one has alerted me to a problem. It seems to be an isolated incident.

My goal is to help the customer and give them some guidance on how to better care for the desk, while at the same time reflecting on whether there could be a flaw in my finishing process.

I offered to repair it free of charge as an act of goodwill. I stand behind my work. Though the customer has not yet replied.

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#15 posted 07-15-2016 10:02 PM

So you have been making approx. 4 desks a month, every month for the last 10 years? kuddo’s
If your building that many desks I don’t understand why you would be using such an inferior finish for a desk topcoat.
At minimum, you should be using at least a pre-cat lacquer, or maybe Waterlox (I have no experience with waterlox but hear it’s pretty good).
Polycrylic, in my opinion, is way too soft a product for a desk top. But since you have built so many I would just stick with what you know best.
AGAIN, just my opinion, doesn’t mean nuttin…

-- My “MO” involves Judging others, playing God, acting as LJs law enforcement, and never admitting any of my ideas could possibly be wrong or anyone else's idea could possibly be correct -- (A1Jim)

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