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#1 posted 07-04-2016 01:54 AM

All those companies will learn how to do a little tweaking and be back at it again. In today’s world of technology, it’s just a matter of time.

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#2 posted 07-04-2016 02:25 AM

Much as I love the SawStop we have at work, I do hope they lose the suit against Bosch. They are putting in a good safety system that appears very different from the one in SawStop, possibly superior (time will tell IF they aren’t blocked from selling it)

I can see an argument to incorporate safety on saws, I can’t see the double standard of then blocking others from using their own system if it does not infringe on a patent. Patent law can be so wishy washy.

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#3 posted 07-04-2016 03:53 AM

Barely news. They are just upholding a lower court’s decision that allows SS to suit PTI.

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#4 posted 07-04-2016 04:50 AM

The whole thing, including the content of the article linked, makes little to no sense – to me.

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#5 posted 07-04-2016 11:45 AM

The article is not about the actual braking mechanism. It concerns actions taken by PTI against Sawstop and if those actions by the PTI were legal. A bunch of companies, called the PTI, grouped together and took actions against Sawstop to try to keep them from being successful.

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#6 posted 07-04-2016 02:04 PM

I agree with Cyber. All else aside, I’m kinda miffed how SawStop wanted the government to force all saws to include such a safety device, and of course SawStop being the only one allowed to sell them.

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#7 posted 07-04-2016 02:45 PM


The article is not about the actual braking mechanism. It concerns actions taken by PTI against Sawstop and if those actions by the PTI were legal. ...

- Redoak49

I got that, however the article was not well written to portray the current status and the legal maneuvering from any participant.

I am also in agreement with cyber.

In fact, I realize I am predominantly reactionary, and pro-business and anti-government involvement, type person. Personally, I would get a nice grin if Saw Stop just failed as a profitable enterprise, and went out of business.

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#8 posted 07-04-2016 03:07 PM

I don’t own one.,,. Can’t see me buying one either.

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#9 posted 07-04-2016 03:32 PM

Saw Stop & Co. are so much like a little kid, they want it their way. Even so much as to go to their parent and say make them play with my toys. By the time they are done with all these legal actions their patents will run out and all the money they spent on these legal actions would have been better spent on advertisement of their product. But no they want it ALL not just their part. IMHO just buy a can of red spray paint and paint all of your table saw insert plates red then teach yourself that your fingers never enter the red zone.

Question: Would a SawStop work once the power was shut off and the blade was winding down? Or does it have a blade brake that stops the blade as soon as the power is shut off? Just wondering if it would have helped when I nicked my finger.

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#10 posted 07-04-2016 05:21 PM


Question: Would a SawStop work once the power was shut off and the blade was winding down? Or does it have a blade brake that stops the blade as soon as the power is shut off? Just wondering if it would have helped when I nicked my finger.

@mtenterprises: Yes. As long as the blade is spinning, the safety mechanism is operational and the green indicator light blinks rapidly to let you know. I have their 10” cabinet saw and love it, but still keep my fingers out of the forbidden zone regardless of the safety mechanism because its just good practice. It is nice to know it is there for that unforeseen accident that we all know can happen no matter how careful we are. See here: http://www.sawstop.com/images/uploads/manuals/CNS%20Quick%20Start%20Guide%20(Aug%2008).pdf

-- GSY from N. Idaho

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#11 posted 07-04-2016 06:25 PM

I do not believe that Bosch, or anyone else for that matter, would use the identical circuit for flesh sensing as there are probably hundreds of ways of doing that function.

If SS patented the mere concept of flesh sensing and stopping the blade then I want to patent fast than light travel just in case we get there before my patent requires renewal.

Obviously the blade stop/brake, or in SS case blade break, are completely different so I do not understand on what basis SS won!

In any case SS should lose just because of their less than ethical tactics.

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#12 posted 07-04-2016 07:01 PM



I do not believe that Bosch, or anyone else for that matter, would use the identical circuit for flesh sensing as there are probably hundreds of ways of doing that function.

If SS patented the mere concept of flesh sensing and stopping the blade then I want to patent fast than light travel just in case we get there before my patent requires renewal.

Obviously the blade stop/brake, or in SS case blade break, are completely different so I do not understand on what basis SS won!

In any case SS should lose just because of their less than ethical tactics.

- oldnovice


The lawsuit that SS won above has nothing to do with patents. It is an anti-trust case against PTI for their collusion to keep SS from the market. The patent case has yet to be decided.

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#13 posted 07-04-2016 11:40 PM

Thank You JADobson…...you are correct!!!!!

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#14 posted 07-05-2016 01:16 AM



I do not believe that Bosch, or anyone else for that matter, would use the identical circuit for flesh sensing as there are probably hundreds of ways of doing that function.

If SS patented the mere concept of flesh sensing and stopping the blade then I want to patent fast than light travel just in case we get there before my patent requires renewal.

Obviously the blade stop/brake, or in SS case blade break, are completely different so I do not understand on what basis SS won!

In any case SS should lose just because of their less than ethical tactics.

- oldnovice

People patent concepts all the time. You just have to have one working prototype. Apple sued Google for patent infringement on the touch screen phone interface. Two separate code systems behind it. So it is the use/interface/idea they are trying to defend. Happens all the time. Some are successful, some are not. The Google and Apple one will be interesting. I seem to recall apple failed in some countries and won in others. I’ll have to look that up.

Brian

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#15 posted 07-05-2016 05:24 AM

I guess I didn’t read it all properly and jumped to conclusions.

I live in “patent alley” and read about lawsuits almost on a daily basis.
I have become very sensitive to patent trolls as one of my patents was usurped by a troll.
Trolls prefer to go after the individual inventor but in some cases even corporations.

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