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Forum topic by Millo posted 04-28-2010 08:35 AM 1729 views 0 times favorited 11 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Millo

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04-28-2010 08:35 AM

Dear all,

I am looking for some recommendations for a TRUE beginner looking to get DVD’s and books. I’ve already read some stuff from the public library and on the web, but would like get a DVD on the subjects of using hand planes, sharpening hand saws, and dovetailing. I will resume reading Garret Hack’s book on planes this weekend, after having started this past Sunday. The first topics I’d like to watch about would be planing and saw sharpening.

I have listed some DVD’s on planing I’m considering below. No clue which one would be the most basic one (just to give you clue: I do not have a jointer or planer, and have a #5, #7 and a low-angle block plane…never used any, #5 and #7 are pretty much ready for use, or so I’ve been told, the block plane I may have ruined while trying to lap and tune it, maybe not…I’ll keep working on that next week).

On saw sharpening, I’ve only found one DVD which is sold by Lee Valley and Lie-Nielsen, so I assume it’ll be good. Would you recommend one of the books listed below over this DVD? I think this DVD is the only one I could see I’m 99% sure I’d like to watch.

I’ll leave the dovetailing DVD for later, but I’m leaning toward the Charles Bender one. Also considering the mortise & tenon one by Cosman.

Here’s the list…

DVD’s on planing by Rob Cosman:
Hand Planing and Sharpening
Rough to Ready

vs.

those by C. Schwarz:
Building Furniture with Handplanes
Coarse, Medium and Fine: Fundamental Woodworking Techniques
Handplane basics: A Better Way to Use Bench Planes

vs.

Lonnie Bird: Mastering handplanes

On sharpening, a DVD by Tom Law: Hand Saw Sharpening

vs. these books:

Taunton’s Guide to Sharpening by Thomas Lie-Nielsen
Sharpening by Leonard Lee
The Perfect Edge by Ron Hock

DVD’s on dovetails:
Rob Cosman—Hand Cut Dovetails
Charles Bender—Dovetailing Apprenticeship
Mastering Dovetails—Lonnie Bird

Thanks everyone!


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barryvabeach

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#1 posted 04-28-2010 02:32 PM

If you are a true beginner, I would suggest you put saw sharpening on hold for a while – it is pretty tedious work, but has to be done so rarely you won’t develop much skill at it, and it is fairly inexpensive to have a saw sharpened ( or if using japanese saws, buy a new blade) Instead I would focus more on how to use a hand plane and how to sharpen a plane blade (most of the skills and equipment will transfer to sharpening chisels, etc). Even though the 5 and 7 may be good to go, you will still have to hone ( or sharpen) the blade from time to time.The only dvd I have seen on your list is the Cosman dovetail, though I am sure the other ones would be good as well. Same for the hand plane use – Schwartz, Bird and Cosman are all pretty goods names – and so is Charlesworth, though I haven’t seen their dvd’s.

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Millo

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#2 posted 04-28-2010 04:20 PM

Hey! Yeah, saw-sharpening seems like a very unattractive thing. In fact, one of my main frustrations while trying this woodworking thang for the first time was dealing with the sharpening/lapping process for my chisels, and got so frustrated with the cheap, brand-new block plane I got (very concave) that I simply stopped tuning it. I need to do that this month. I have already sharpened my cheap Marples chisels (kinda ruined one of them in the process, so I bought a single of the same size, its Irwin brother and got that one “right”)—and using them after sharpening was a very pleasant surprise! They aren’t super-sharp, but man what a difference from new! I did it w/ sandpaper, and quickly noticed how the “cheaper” sandpaper method wasn’t so “cheap” when compared to spending $100-$150 on waterstones. I spent quite a bit on various grits, spent a long time on it, made a huge mess, etc. Waterstones are definitely on my next shopping list.

Like I said, I have a Crown gent’s saw already that needs sharpening—this is why I wanted to learn tis saw stuff. Although, I don’t have a saw vise. I don’t even have an actual vise/workbench. All I have is an old Black & Decker Workmate.

Yeah, I’m pretty sure all the DVD’s here pretty good, just wondering if anyone had seen more than one and had a favorite.

Thanks!

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Wintersedge

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#3 posted 04-28-2010 09:25 PM

Millo,

I have all of the DVDs above, to be honest, they all present good information. I am also sending you a pm.

If I were you, I would hold your money. See if you can find a local wood club or a Lie Nielsen hand tool event and go and view a sharpening in person. Next, buy some junk tools to practice on.. I bought an old stanley and picked up 2 chisels from Wally world: worse case I am out 16 bucks.

Also, check out youtube. Lie Nielsen has their own ‘channel’ and there are a lot of podcasts that pretty much sum up all the information on the DVDs.

Lastly, if I had to pick, I actually like a set that you do not have listed and that is David Charlesworth, they are sold by Lie Nielsen. Overall, I find that David has the best information, Rob Cosman has the best camera viewing angels, and I think Chris has the best Charisma. Rob has the most extensive line of DVDs and are of course the most expensive.

Cheers

-- Motivation alone is not enough. If you have an idiot and you motivate him, now you have a motivated idiot.

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Wintersedge

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#4 posted 04-28-2010 09:28 PM

Hey, one other item I would add, check out Tom Fidgen’s book Made by Hand, ISBN 978-1558708952.

I think it is the best hand tool wood working book. It walks you through several projects and there is a 45m DVD included all for 19 bucks off Amazon. Tom is also a really cool guy. He responds to email and also has a very good blog and podcast setup.

Cheers

-- Motivation alone is not enough. If you have an idiot and you motivate him, now you have a motivated idiot.

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a1Jim

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#5 posted 04-28-2010 09:31 PM

Check out Charles Neil on you tube and he has lots of DVD sets for sale also

http://charlesneilwoodworking.com/

Charles is a member here and is a great guy.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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bigike

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#6 posted 04-28-2010 10:56 PM

if you have a wood craft near ya check them out also rob cosman and david charlesworth has some books and DVD’s these are the ones i’ve been getting lately. http://www.vintagesaws.com/library/primer/sharp.html

-- Ike, Big Daddies Woodshop, http://www.icombadaniels@yahoo.com

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Millo

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#7 posted 04-29-2010 05:42 AM

a1Jim: I am very interested in Charles’ “casework” and “finish” dvd’s.

Wintersedge: thanks for the tip on Tom Fidgen—that one is not in the public library, I already looked. I’ll put it in my Amazon wish list.

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a1Jim

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#8 posted 04-29-2010 06:00 AM

Hey Millo
I have both sets of DVDS and learned a lot from both sets and I’m a 20 year plus woodworker. So I think you will learn alot from them too.

Enjoy

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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John Gray

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#9 posted 04-29-2010 03:55 PM

those by C. Schwarz:
Coarse, Medium and Fine: Fundamental Woodworking Techniques
Handplane basics: A Better Way to Use Bench Planes
Schwarz has really great DVD’s.

I have both of these: The Perfect Edge by Ron Hock
Sharpening by Leonard Lee
I have both of these and consider the one by Hock to be the best one.

DVD’s on dovetails: Rob Cosman—Hand Cut Dovetails
Mastering Dovetails—Lonnie Bird
I have both of these and consider the one by Cosman to be the best one.

-- Only the Shadow knows....................

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Taigert

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#10 posted 04-30-2010 09:17 AM

Millo,
You have great list of books and DVD’s there but everyone learns in different way so it’s hard to say which book is better than the next. I would hold onto my money and follow the advise given above and check out all the free stuff offered on the internet like YouTube. Fine Woodworking.com has a lot of what your looking for on their web site. You could spend weeks going through what they have to offer, there is a low price to join, but I think you’ll find it worth more than the price of admission.
Also try to find people in your area to work with there are a lot of woodworkers here on LumberJocks that would be more than willing to help you out.
As for the Marples Chissels, they maybe cheap but you’ll find once sharpened they will do the job. You don’t have to spend a lot to get started out. There are a lot of things you can spend your money on when it comes to woodworking if you want to. So hold onto your money for now.

-- Taigert - Milan, IN

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Millo

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#11 posted 05-05-2010 04:56 PM

Hey, thanks for the answers. I will probably start by renting some. Thanks!

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