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Forum topic by langski93 posted 06-19-2016 12:36 AM 1339 views 0 times favorited 21 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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langski93

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06-19-2016 12:36 AM

Topic tags/keywords: glue joints glue joints starved elmers titebond iii

I have used Elmer’s Yellow glue almost exclusively almost out of habit. Pretty decent pricing and always worked for me. I bought Titebond hide glue and its great for problem glue ups. I recently used Titebond III waterproof glue for a kitchen table top because of its waterproof characteristics. I noticed it was “runny” compared to the Elmers yellow, but I did not really mind it figuring the scientists know what they are doing and I have never seen problems posted. Made an end grain cutting board, it still ran like hell, but I did not notice any problem joints (glue starved). Its now living in NYC as a wedding gift. I’m sure the happy couple would never tell me if it disintegrates. They’re just too polite :) Anyway, made another cutting board today and the glue ran like water. I can already tell I have at least two full length starved joints, but will know how bad the damage is tomorrow when I pull out of clamps.

I bought from Woodcraft and paid almost $12 for 16 oz which seems a bit steep but that is not my issue.

It is about 78 degrees here today, probably about 68 in my basement workshop. Temperature sensitive?
Could the glue have been frozen and thawed before I bought it? Would that even do it?
Is it supposed to be runny and I have to bathe my work in it?

I am not that concerned about the cutting boards as I am about the 78” walnut dinner table now in my dining room. The joints look sound, I never saw any gaps.

Theories lumberjocks?

-- Langski, New Hampshire


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jeffswildwood

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#1 posted 06-19-2016 12:53 AM

I can’t be much help as I have not tried titebond III. I do use titebond II almost exclusively and never had a problem. However, it will run (not like water though) and I keep a wet rag handy during glue up for wiping squeeze out.

-- We all make mistakes, the trick is to fix it in a way thats says "I meant to do that".

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#2 posted 06-19-2016 01:12 AM

I use a good bit of Titebond II and III from time to time, and I never considered it to be watery. I do hope your friend doesn’t do what my youngest daughter did, and put the cutting board in the dishwasher. I had to rebuild and reglue. Maybe you got a bad bottle of the glue.

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clin

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#3 posted 06-19-2016 01:50 AM

Heck, if you got it at a BORG, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised that some A-hole bought, used what they needed and filled the bottle back up with water and returned it.

If there’s a way to steal something, someone will do it.

-- Clin

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loiblb

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#4 posted 06-19-2016 02:58 AM

The TB III is the best I have found and it is used in long bow construction now. That is a real test of what it can do.

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#5 posted 06-19-2016 03:06 AM

just used Titebonf Extended Time glue this past week to make some ‘Basket-Weave Cutting Boards’,
Worked flaw-less-lee.
Ira

-- Rustfever, Central California

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#6 posted 06-19-2016 03:15 AM

Have never seen any “runny” titebond

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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#7 posted 06-19-2016 04:10 AM

Try Titebond II. It has a slightly shorter open time than TBIII. I usually keep panels horizontal to prevent the squeezeout from running.

There is a “Titebond Extend” which is quite runny. It claims a longer open time for complicated glueups, but I find it too runny for most applications.

The TBII is great. Home Depot has it for $18 per gallon.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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newwoodbutcher

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#8 posted 06-19-2016 04:54 AM

I use TBIII frequently. Never thought it was runny. Sounds to me like you got a bad bottle of glue. Take it back.

-- Ken

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#9 posted 06-19-2016 05:00 AM


I use TBIII frequently. Never thought it was runny. Sounds to me like you got a bad bottle of glue. Take it back.

- newwoodbutcher

I agree. Tb3 actually seemed thicker to me when I switched from tb2.

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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Andre

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#10 posted 06-19-2016 05:03 AM

I usually use TBI but have started to use the TBIII for cutting boards. Glued up a couple yesterday and did not find it all that thin, I do brush it on with a small paint brush while the boards are standing on edge and then press them together before clamping. some squeeze out but minimal.

-- Lifting one end of the plank.

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clin

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#11 posted 06-19-2016 10:57 PM

Just looked at mine and my TB III is definitely thinner than the TB II. Not like water but thinner. I also now remember when I used it last (6 months ago), it was on a vertical surface and I remember we had to get creative and work fast since it ran down faster than typical glue.

-- Clin

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Kirk650

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#12 posted 06-19-2016 11:09 PM

I have noticed that age will thicken your Titebond. It’ll become like Pace Piquante Sauce, in the thick and chunky version.

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#13 posted 06-19-2016 11:12 PM

My TB III always seemed to be a bit thicker than TB II that I use all of the time. They both always work fine for me. I prefer TB to Elmer’s. I still can’t get the hang of using poly glue without making a big mess so I’ll stick with my TB III.

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#14 posted 06-20-2016 01:33 AM

I have often noticed the “runniness” of TBIII. I believe it is a function of the glue separating in the bottle—- the solids sink to the bottom and the lighter liquid floats to the top.

Odd to me that no one here has noticed this.

Because of the separation issue, I always shake the bottle well to mix the contents before using. I don’t have this issue with TBII

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#15 posted 06-20-2016 03:21 AM

I’d shoot a email to Woodcraft and titebond and ask them.they may send you a replacement.it doesn’t sound right.maybe a short video with your email of the glue coming out of the bottle and on a plate tipped to show what you call runny.

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