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Forum topic by Kirk650 posted 06-16-2016 05:43 PM 741 views 0 times favorited 8 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Kirk650

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06-16-2016 05:43 PM

Just got two of the new Veritas powdered metal chisels. From what I had read, they came already super sharp. That was not the case at all, so I got out the sharpening gear. They sharpened very easily, and I liked that just fine. Tested the edges on some paper edges and MAN, they were sharp, and impressively so. I grabbed a Pfiel 8mm chisel that I had just sharpened, and compared to the PM-V11’s they needed sharpening. So I resharpened the chisel that I had sharpened a few days ago and got it close to the Veritas’s edge sharpness, but still fell a bit short. Got out the LN chisels, and they matched up to the Veritas edge.

So now I know the new Veritas chisels will take a superb edge. Now to see how they hold that edge.


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Fred Hargis

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#1 posted 06-16-2016 08:07 PM

To be honest, I’ve got a couple of Veritas planes and the Pm v11 chisels, and none of them have been sharp enough to use out of the box, even though LV swears they are. Not a complaint..I love the stuff, but that statement about being sharp is nonsense.

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#2 posted 06-18-2016 03:45 PM

Why in Hell would you expect a chisel (or plane blade) to be sharp enough to use out of the box? That just makes no sense at all. “Sharp to use” means about 8000 grit (Japanese stone) in my book. Factories will grind a primary and add a secondary, but this is unlikely to be done by hand. Do you want a machine to to grind at 8000 grit?! The resulting heat will burn the steel. More relevantly, these are hand tools, purchased by a hand tool user … who is expected to sharpen them at some point. I read on a forum where someone sent their chisels out for grinding ….!

End of rant.

Incidentally, the PM-V11 steel takes and holds an edge second only to White Steel.

Regards from Perth

Derek

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#3 posted 06-18-2016 10:58 PM

Goodness Derek, I’m glad you got that off your chest. Now, as to your “why the hell…”, regarding the sharpness of the chisel, in at least one (and maybe two) reviews, it was clearly stated that the chisels had been delivered ready to use – very very sharp. So, silly me, I thought the chisels might be delivered to me in the same sharpened state. I had very recently bought a Pfeil chisel and a full set of their Butt Chisels, and THEY were extremely sharp as delivered, as were some of their carving chisels, though I did sharpen them anyway. And, come to think of it, the set of LN socket chisels came ready to use a couple of years ago. Soooooo, it didn’t seem ridiculous to think that the Veritas chisels would show up sharp. But they didn’t, they were actually quite dull, though they were very easy to sharpen.

I haven’t yet used the Veritas chisels enough to see how the edge holds up. I expect good results.

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#4 posted 06-19-2016 12:05 AM

What is White Steel?

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Kirk650

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#5 posted 06-19-2016 12:11 AM

Derek is talking about the white steel laminated Japanese chisels. They also are available in Blue Steel. Excellent edge holding steels.

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#6 posted 06-19-2016 12:47 AM


Why in Hell would you expect a chisel (or plane blade) to be sharp enough to use out of the box? That just makes no sense at all. “Sharp to use” means about 8000 grit (Japanese stone) in my book. Factories will grind a primary and add a secondary, but this is unlikely to be done by hand. Do you want a machine to to grind at 8000 grit?! The resulting heat will burn the steel. More relevantly, these are hand tools, purchased by a hand tool user … who is expected to sharpen them at some point. I read on a forum where someone sent their chisels out for grinding ….!

End of rant.

Incidentally, the PM-V11 steel takes and holds an edge second only to White Steel.

Regards from Perth

Derek

- Derek Cohen


Maybe because everyone who buys a chisel is not a seasoned veteran and believed what the manufacture said.

Just a thought.

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Kirk650

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#7 posted 06-19-2016 01:05 AM

Somehow the lack of initial sharpness has taken on a life of its own. It wasn’t and isn’t a big deal at all, though I would have expected them to have a better edge than they showed up with. What actually is important is that for a steel that supposedly holds a great edge, they sharpened so easily. That was surprising.

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AESamuel

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#8 posted 06-20-2016 11:32 AM

Unless I was buying from a local guy that I knew could sharpen I would never ever expect a manufacturer to sharpen to a truly usable standard. Saying something comes ready sharp is literally just a way of asking for a few more bucks.

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