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Forum topic by bbasiaga posted 06-13-2016 03:15 PM 820 views 0 times favorited 8 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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bbasiaga

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06-13-2016 03:15 PM

I was watching YouTube the other day, and heard a comment by one user of these planes that you can’t adjust them for depth of cut while in use. This is because the lever cap must be so tight that it stops the a just met know from working. Therefore, you must test the cut, loosen the lever cap, make your adjustment, then retighten the lever cap….repeat.

I’ve only used one of these one time for a few seconds at a class. I didn’t know about the above or test for it.

So if you have one, is this true?

Second question: the Veritas says it has a combined feed and lateral adjustment knob. Is the LN’S knob feed only?

Third: have you experienced the rouding/deformation of the back of the blade some people report? If so, how long did it take before you had to shorten and reflatten the blade to correct it?

Thanks
Brian

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.


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rjpat

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#1 posted 06-13-2016 03:24 PM

I have the Veritas laj and usually just tighten things down just enough to keep things from moving around while I’m get my depth dialed in, then give it another 1/8 more turn when I get busy, so no, I don’t find this any kind of major problem. I do have a 40 degree bevel on my iron and use it mainly for difficult grain, so I don’t really change the depth that often.

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Homick

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#2 posted 06-13-2016 04:39 PM

The issues you describe sound like exceptional user issues, not issues with the tools or the manufacturers.

From what you say, it sounds like the user is not aware of how to setup a plane; if setup correctly, you should not need to loosen the lever cap to adjust depth of cut. The Lever cap screw requires the user to learn to ‘feel’ how tight it should be; not so loose it won’t hold the blade/chipbreaker assembly, not so tight that you couldn’t advance the blade. I’ve heard it described as ‘thumbtight’, indicating that ‘tight’ will be sufficient with your thumb and index finger grip.

A new blade from Veritas is guaranteed flat on the face (what most people call the back) and I suspect LN has similar quality standards … if people are experiencing rounding of the iron, they are probably doing something very out of the ordinary to that blade or the plane it’s being used on.

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Richard H

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#3 posted 06-13-2016 04:51 PM

I have the Lie Nielsen bevel up jack and there is a sweet spot where you can still adjust the iron but have it tight enough the level cap won’t work loose while planning. It’s something you will have to play with some to get a good feel for but you can do it. I also have a Veritas bevel up smoother which is about the same. I have significantly lightened up the amount of material I take off with each pass with both of these planes since I first started using them and have found that they preform a lot better when used as to remove very think shavings. For heavier work I tend to use bevel down planes.

The LN bevel up jack does not have a lateral adjustment knob but I have not really had a issue with that.

As for the rounding over of the flat back of the iron I have heard some people mention that issue with bevel up planes in general but i have not experienced it yet. Both the LN and the Veritas irons where very flat out of the box and only needed light honing and a camber added.

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#4 posted 06-13-2016 05:15 PM

1. I have the Veritas LA jack and regularly adjust it without loosening the lever cap. If I way overtighten the lever cap it becomes very difficult to advance or retract the blade, but that’s the case with all planes. Why would it be more of a problem with LA planes?
2. I’ve never used the LN jack plane.
3. Haven’t noticed the rounding of the blade. I haven’t checked for it, though, just haven’t noticed it to be a problem in use.

-- Jeremy, in the Acadian forests

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bbasiaga

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#5 posted 06-13-2016 10:41 PM

Thanks everyone for the replies.


1. I have the Veritas LA jack and regularly adjust it without loosening the lever cap. If I way overtighten the lever cap it becomes very difficult to advance or retract the blade, but that s the case with all planes. Why would it be more of a problem with LA planes?
- jdh122

I didn’t think it would, which is why I was asking.

I’m debating the purchase of one of these two, so just doing some research. All my other bench planes are old stanleys. Still thinking about that too, but the flexibility of the bevel up jacks seems to call to me. I’d have more in it than my other three combined though!

Brian

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.

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bbasiaga

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#6 posted 06-13-2016 10:42 PM

oops…duplicate post.

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.

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OSU55

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#7 posted 06-14-2016 11:52 AM

I have the Veritas BU LAJ. If the lever cap is appropriately tight, depth of cut can be adjusted without loosening. Blade skew is more difficult due to the short length of the Norris adj lever. I typically use a small brass hammer to make slight skew adj by tapping the side of the blade w/o loosening the lever cap.

I suspect the rounding of the blade back you are referencing is the wear bevel that forms on the underside of the blade edge on all plane blades. With a BD plane, this wear bevel forms on the bevel and is removed when honing the bevel. With BU, it forms somewhat on the flat back right at the edge. When honing one just needs to be sure to remove enough material that the edge does not reflect light. Here is a discussion of wear bevels and ways to address them. A search for bevel up wear bevels will find more.

I chose the Veritas version because of the better engineering design incorporated. The LN is a better looking tool. Depends on what the user wants.

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dbray45

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#8 posted 06-14-2016 01:30 PM

I have the Veritas LA planes. I have these these are set to take very thin shavings because I use these for end grain as well as with the grain.

My rule of thumb – take off less and let the plane do the work. Have not experienced what you describe.

-- David in Damascus, MD

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