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Dutchy

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06-11-2016 07:20 PM

I can buy a unused second hand (sold privately) pattern makers vise. Made in Taiwan, 27 kg and technically identical to a Emmert vice. This vise isn’t common here. It looks this vise has a lot of benefits for the work I’m doeing, However there also maybe disadvantages. And I’m curious if you know some. My bench is a simple sturdy shelf mounted to the wall.

-- My englisch is bad but how is your dutch?


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DocSavage45

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#1 posted 06-11-2016 07:40 PM

Dutchy,

I have two vises for woodworking. And two for other types of work. I’m assuming this is a woodworking vise? Cheap vises can experience a lot of looseness. My first vise was a cheap Chinese vise. My second was one of the more expensive american made Jorgensons. No looseness, and it is a slip joint to save time on pulling out the jaw or getting it back to the piece.

The vice might be OK but I’d want to examine it closely ?

Hope this helps. Kiefer could probably tell you exactly what is going on. LOL! Plus he’d suggest his vise.

The page had both woodworking and metal working vises. A little confusing?

-- Cau Haus Designs, Thomas J. Tieffenbacher

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stefang

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#2 posted 06-11-2016 07:41 PM

The Emmert vice is designed for pattern makers who use wood for their patterns. A great vice in all respects. I can’t see how you could go wrong with one Jan.

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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Dutchy

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#3 posted 06-11-2016 07:49 PM


Dutchy,

I have two vises for woodworking. And two for other types of work. I m assuming this is a woodworking vise? Cheap vises can experience a lot of looseness. My first vise was a cheap Chinese vise. My second was one of the more expensive american made Jorgensons. No looseness, and it is a slip joint to save time on pulling out the jaw or getting it back to the piece.

Might be OK but I d want to examine it closely ?

Hope this helps. Kiefer could probably tell you exactly what is going on. LOL! Plus he d suggest his vise.

The page had both woodworking and metal working vises. A little confusing?

- DocSavage45

Thanks Doc,

The vise isn.t cheap, on the contrary. And in Taiwan is made high-quality stuff,so I’m not afraid for a bad factory quality, but more shortcomings in use. Sorry about confusing,

-- My englisch is bad but how is your dutch?

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Dutchy

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#4 posted 06-11-2016 07:53 PM



The Emmert vice is designed for pattern makers who use wood for their patterns. A great vice in all respects. I can t see how you could go wrong with one Jan.

- stefang

Thanks Mike.

-- My englisch is bad but how is your dutch?

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cabmaker

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#5 posted 06-11-2016 09:15 PM

I have an emmert mounted on my table

I t is the most used vise I have.

I also have the emmert clone as the one you have pictured. The clone vice is a bit smoother in operation but when locked down holding a workpiece it has lots more slop than the real emmert . but its at least 20 lbs lighter.’

If i could only keep one vice it would be the pattern makers vice for sure.

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kiefer

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#6 posted 06-11-2016 09:54 PM

I have never had the pleasure to use a Emmert vise or the clone but by all accounts it’s a very good vise with a hundred year plus track and use record .
The only concern that I would have is the strength of the connection of the vise hinge to the bench . Now what is your intended use for this vise ?

Klaus

-- Kiefer https://www.youtube.com/user/woodkiefer1/videos

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TMGStudioFurniture

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#7 posted 06-11-2016 11:50 PM

I’ve heard those vises are very heavy, at about 50-80lbs (I don’t know how much that is in Dutch, though!)

The problem is that the workbench they are attached to has to be very sturdy, and probably also very heavy. I’ve heard of those vises causing a workbench to tip over, so just be aware of that.

I’ve not used one, they look very cool. I have a fairly simple workbench, that probably isn’t heavy or big enough to handle one of those (especially in all the positions).

-- https://www.etsy.com/shop/TMGStudioFurniture

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Dutchy

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#8 posted 06-12-2016 08:04 AM



I have an emmert mounted on my table

I t is the most used vise I have.

I also have the emmert clone as the one you have pictured. The clone vice is a bit smoother in operation but when locked down holding a workpiece it has lots more slop than the real emmert . but its at least 20 lbs lighter.

If i could only keep one vice it would be the pattern makers vice for sure.

- cabmaker

This makes clear that I can have a lot of bennefit from it. Thanks cabmaker.


I have never had the pleasure to use a Emmert vise or the clone but by all accounts it s a very good vise with a hundred year plus track and use record .
The only concern that I would have is the strength of the connection of the vise hinge to the bench . Now what is your intended use for this vise ?

Klaus

- kiefer

Thanks Klaus

You have the same concern as I have. But seen the use I have in mind that can’t be a large problem. I don”t have to clamp heavy material. For toy making clamping it is very handy to rotate the vise in all kind of directions. Now I”m using a simple Bessey Schraubzwing S10 (picture below). This makes me believe that the Emmert look a like is heavy enough.


I ve heard those vises are very heavy, at about 50-80lbs (I don t know how much that is in Dutch, though!)

The problem is that the workbench they are attached to has to be very sturdy, and probably also very heavy. I ve heard of those vises causing a workbench to tip over, so just be aware of that.

I ve not used one, they look very cool. I have a fairly simple workbench, that probably isn t heavy or big enough to handle one of those (especially in all the positions).

- TMGStudioFurniture

Thanks TMG Studio furniture.
The vise is 27Kg., almost 60lbs
My bench isn’t that heavy, but it is mounted against the wall. So there is no risk of tip over.

-- My englisch is bad but how is your dutch?

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lcwood

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#9 posted 06-12-2016 09:05 AM

I have one clone. I got it many year ago and really like it
to me, the only problem is: it is not quick release

there are some videos showing the wrong way to install in the youtube

to install, follow the right instructions included, recessed and flush with the table front and you have a good vise to work

it cannot tilt the table if installed right and recessed

if you wanna, please see the reply with pics I made in that post
http://lumberjocks.com/topics/67569

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Dutchy

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#10 posted 06-12-2016 09:20 AM

Thanks lcwood. This helps!! Great links there.

-- My englisch is bad but how is your dutch?

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jim65

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#11 posted 06-12-2016 10:56 AM

You can buy it new, same vise at www.dictum.de. nice woodworking tools and fair pricing. Even their branded tools are a really good quality. Fast shipment, nice store in munich. Site is in many languages. At least you can compare the price of the used one. Beautiful vise if you have a dedicated bench for it

-- Jim, Marostica Italy

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Dutchy

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#12 posted 06-12-2016 11:29 AM

Thanks Jim.

Dictum and Dieter Schmid both are selling this vise. The one I can buy is from a privat persom who bought it from Axminster and never used it and the price is half the Dictum price.

-- My englisch is bad but how is your dutch?

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jim65

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#13 posted 06-13-2016 06:45 PM

at that price, go for it! I would love one but just can’t justify the full price. It would be a fun vise to own. post pictures when you have mounted it on a heavy bench!

-- Jim, Marostica Italy

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Dutchy

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#14 posted 06-13-2016 07:54 PM

Today I have bought the vice. The package was in very bad condition but the vise looks great.


Thanks for watching. Later more.

-- My englisch is bad but how is your dutch?

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lcwood

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#15 posted 06-14-2016 02:41 AM

I hope you have the same or more satisfaction I have with my one
it is really heavy ! near the max allowed by USPS to Brazil
take some time to adapt the workbench to include it, but later using it is a pleasure
have fun

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