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noone

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06-06-2016 10:15 PM

I’m debating a new premium saw purchase.

Powermatic PM2000 50” fence = $3000 shipped
SawStop ICS 36” fence with mobile base = $1550 shipped

Will avoid taxes by buying non-locally unless Woodcraft can/wants to play ball.

I have been woodworking for about 5 years now and never even knew a SawStop saw existed and I still have all my fingers. When I asked my wife, she naturally said pay the extra and get the SawStop.

This will be a massive upgrade for me over my existing saw – a Ridgid R4512

I can’t believe that I’m even thinking about dropping $4550 on a saw. All this after looking at someone’s 9 year old Powermatic PM2000!

Discuss.


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Redoak49

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#1 posted 06-06-2016 10:26 PM

Only you can answer that question. It has been debated many times on many forums.

You can get the Sawstop 3 hp PCS for around $3000 or so. That is the saw that I have and have really wanted a bigger or more powerful saw. The fit and finish is very good and I have had no problems with mine.

My wife had the same response as yours did but added how soon.

You can read all the previous threads on the subject and you will still be left having to make a personal choice.

Good Luck

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#2 posted 06-06-2016 10:40 PM

Powermatic PM2000 50” fence = $3000 shipped
SawStop ICS 36” fence with mobile base = $1550 shipped
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I can t believe that I m even thinking about dropping $4550 on a saw.

What?

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#3 posted 06-06-2016 10:41 PM

You are in a great location… I have seen more fantastic deals (and snagged many of them) come out of Jacksonville than any other location in Florida – with the possible exception the deep south (Miami/Ft. Lauderdale). Since you already have a saw, I’d keep looking until a good deal shows up. For $1000 or less, nice Unisaws and PM66’s show up frequently (like this Unisaw with Unifence and mobile base). If you give into the ‘gotta have it now’ impulse you seem to be having, you will wind up paying twice the price (or more) for half the machine.

Cheers,
Brad

PS: That PM2000 does look to be in excellent condition, and I would have listed it as such as well. Although, the price is a bit on the high side regardless.

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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#4 posted 06-06-2016 10:54 PM

It’s your fingers only you know how much they are worth to you. IHave been woodworking for 30+ years never an accident. until 2 years ago on a drill press cutting an arc with a hole saw. Clamped everything down cut 1/2 way thru not problem. unclamped turned over lined up turned on drill press. Forgot to reclamp 7 stitches would have been more but learned long time ago let go and get out of way. I also spend a lot of time alone in shop with nobody at home. I now own a sawstop contractor’s saw. Best purchase I ever made. Well built accurate saw. Peace of mind is worth more than anything.

-- Bruce, Boise, ID

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#5 posted 06-06-2016 11:02 PM

Saw Stop a great insurance policy.

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#6 posted 06-06-2016 11:12 PM



I m debating a new premium saw purchase.

Powermatic PM2000 50” fence = $3000 shipped
SawStop ICS 36” fence with mobile base = $1550 shipped

Will avoid taxes by buying non-locally unless Woodcraft can/wants to play ball.

I have been woodworking for about 5 years now and never even knew a SawStop saw existed and I still have all my fingers. When I asked my wife, she naturally said pay the extra and get the SawStop.

This will be a massive upgrade for me over my existing saw – a Ridgid R4512

I can t believe that I m even thinking about dropping $4550 on a saw. All this after looking at someone s 9 year old Powermatic PM2000!

Discuss.

- noone

That tax thing should be based on “destination” regardless of seller. If you live in a state without a sales/use tax then whichever one you decide upon should be tax-free. If you don’t pay sales tax (meaning the seller has no physical presence there and isn’t required to collect it) you are probably required to pay same as “use tax” (usually on your annual income tax return if not sooner).

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teejk02

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#7 posted 06-06-2016 11:14 PM



Saw Stop a great insurance policy.

- a1Jim

Do you use them Jim?

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noone

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#8 posted 06-06-2016 11:19 PM

I can be patient. I’m thoroughly enjoying hunting, researching and dreaming of a new saw. Call it a nice Father’s Day present. I didn’t think about buying a new saw until a month ago when I was debating upgrading my fence on my Ridgid R4512.

I saw that Unisaw. How old is that? Looks to have been ridden hard in an industrial setting. $1000 is certainly intriguing though.

Ideally, I can find a hobbyist selling their high end table saw rather than a professionally used one like the PM2000 and this Unisaw. I think the amount of wear and tear on these professionally used offerings is something to consider in its expected longevity.

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bbasiaga

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#9 posted 06-06-2016 11:20 PM

Do you really need the ICS? The PCS is somewhat lighter, but still very stout. Unless you plan to run the saw all day long all week long, i’m not sure you’ll benefit from the extra service factor in the design that leads to the big price difference Or if you really need the 5hp motor, you can only get that on the ICS. I had a long discussion with the Sawstop regional rep about the differences. They are there for sure, but even the greedy sales guy admitted that for moderate to heavy hobby use the PCS is way more than enough. Even for some industrial work it is just fine.

I love my PCS. I have the 36” T glide. You can get the 52” one for just a little more. I just didn’t have space for it.

-Brian

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.

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#10 posted 06-06-2016 11:26 PM

Brian- The PCS is an option for sure. I am also looking at the 36” models. I break down plywood sheets with a circular saw before I take them to the saw. They are too big to try and run through whole in my opinion, so I don’t need the 52” fence. I’m going to give the PCS bump into it to test when I see it in person tomorrow along side the ICS. I’m hoping it doesn’t budge or shake easily.

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#11 posted 06-06-2016 11:35 PM

Ideally, I can find a hobbyist selling their high end table saw rather than a professionally used one like the PM2000 and this Unisaw. I think the amount of wear and tear on these professionally used offerings is something to consider in its expected longevity.
- noone

I think you are underestimating how robust those machines are. And actually, older is generally better. Bearings and belts are about the only ‘wear and tear’ items on those machines. I’ve seen machines pulled out of production environments where they were used and abused for decades. Cleaned up, you would think they just rolled out of the factory. I have also found that most ‘hobbyist’ machines are in worse shape mechanically, simply because they rarely perform any maintenance, and just run them until they die. YMMV.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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CharlesA

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#12 posted 06-06-2016 11:41 PM

I don’t own a SS (my saw isn’t in the price range of either of those), and I know there are lots of discussions about cost/benefit, etc.

But as a straight question, the answer is clearly yes. If doc told you that for $1500 I can save two fingers that you’d otherwise use, you’d spend that in a heartbeat.

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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Tooch

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#13 posted 06-06-2016 11:58 PM

I have 2 Sawstops in my high school shop. Not only are they a great insurance policy, but they are a really good, quality saw. I Have the Professional cabinet saws, both the 3HP w/52” fence and the 1.75HP w/36” fence. The larger saw sees considerable use by over 50 different high school students a day, and I can confidently say you should invest in a SawStop model.

As far as the safety issue – to date, we have had 5 finger saves that saw cuts barely the depth of a paper cut, some without any blood. Once the brake is tripped, you fill out a report, mail it to the company and they send you a new one free of charge. Replacing the blade is up to you.

As for the quality, just today I was cutting through some 8/4 Oak on the 3HP model and it had no hesitation. On the 1.75 model, which we use mainly for dado cuts, occasionally it will groan when making a wider (3/4” or more) or deeper dado (+3/8” blade height)cut, but that is only on hardwood, not plywood. The fence is starting to see some wear on the underside after 7 years, but my annual June maintenance and some glue should take care of that.

One thing i would strongly recommend is the mobile base. I have it on the smaller saw, and although we rarely use it in our shop setup, if you are working at home and constantly need to move tools to make room to work, it is worth its weight in aluminum (not gold, come on people..).

Hope this helps, have fun shopping!

-- "Well, the world needs ditch-diggers too..." - Judge Smails

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Dabcan

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#14 posted 06-07-2016 12:01 AM

As others have said, only you can answer that. Personally the way I use my table saw I wouldn’t spend the money. Everyone is always concerned about the table saw, personally I worry far more about my jointer.

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clin

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#15 posted 06-07-2016 12:02 AM

I have a 36” PCS, 3 HP and it’s a great saw. Do you really need to jump up to an ICS.

Believe me the PCS is a really nice saw. It will definitely scratch your itch to upgrade. I knew the ICS was just overkill for me, so I didn’t study the specifics of it.

A 36”, 3 HP PCS with ICS mobile base and overarm dust collection was about $3,500. That’s a much smaller difference. Though as a saw goes I don’t know how the PCS compares to the PM2000 you’re looking at.

Unless you’re going into production, and given that you’ve gotten by with the Ridgid, I would think the PCS is more than enough saw.

FYI: If you do look at the PCS , and decide to go that direction, get the ICS mobile base for it (all 4 ICS mobile base casters swivel).

-- Clin

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