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1201

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06-06-2016 03:07 PM

Good morning,

I decided to build a couple of things around the house and decided to buy a table saw. I prefer buying high quality used because they keep their value better but all the nice saws are huge and take up too much space.

So, i found a ridgid r4512 for a cheap price and picked it up. the very next day, these two show up.
1.powermatic 63
2. Grizzly g0715

My questions.
should i try to cut my teeth on the ridgid or would i be better off getting one of the two above and selling the r4512.

The other thing is it didnt come with a miter gauge so could i get recommendations on a good but budget miter gauge. Everything i want to do right now is all 90 degree so is there such a thing as a fixed unit?

Thanks all


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JayT

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#1 posted 06-06-2016 03:15 PM

First off, welcome to Lumberjocks.

If your R4512 is not one with alignment issues (Google it to get a description), then I don’t see any reason to sell it for one of the others. Capabilities of all three are very similar.

A fixed miter gauge at 90 degrees would be known as a crosscut sled. They are very easy to build and offer a number of advantages over a miter gauge. Do a search on Lumberjocks and lots of variations will come up.

-- "Good judgement is the result of experience. A lot of experience is the result of poor judgement."

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clin

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#2 posted 06-06-2016 03:29 PM

Can’t help with TS recommendations, but as JayT recommended, I use my cross cut sled 20X more than my miter gauge. I can’t recommend building a cross cut sled enough. They make crosscuts easier, safer, and more accurate. The only downside, is they are relatively large so take up a bit of space. But well worth it.

But a miter gauge has it’s place, just because it is smaller and may be handier for quick cross cuts, or of course angle cuts. There are several good ones, I decided on an OSBORNE EB-3. Premium miter gauges like this are >$100. But you can get much less expensive ones that would be similar to what comes with a table saw for <$20.

-- Clin

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1201

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#3 posted 06-07-2016 04:46 AM

thanks for the warm welcome guys.

@jayT, thanks for the info on the crosscut sled. it sounds like exactly what i need.

now, i wasnt completely detailed in the description of the r4512.
its missing
anti kickback pawl
riving knife
and blade guard

i looked on ebay for these items and OMG they want a lot for them. can i use this saw without these items, or are they a must have nowadays. im definitely concerned about safety

@clin, thanks for the recommendation on a miter gauge

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MadMark

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#4 posted 06-07-2016 05:59 AM

Miter gauges also set crosscut dimensions.

I have a Grizzly G0715P and love it:

M

-- Madmark - Madmark2150@yahoo.com Wiretreefarm.com

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#5 posted 06-07-2016 07:32 AM

now, i wasnt completely detailed in the description of the r4512.
its missing
anti kickback pawl
riving knife
and blade guard
- 1201

So, in other words, it’s like 99.9% of all the table saws out there :)

It is doubtful that you will find those on any used machine, as those are the first things that go missing – followed closely by the miter gauge, motor cover and dust door if so equipped. And riving knives were not mandated until around 2009 IIRC, so only newer ones will have one. Any older machine you will be looking at will have the ability to use a splitter though, which serves the same purpose.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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1201

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#6 posted 06-08-2016 04:33 AM

@madmark. thanks for that. the grizzly sold within 24 hours believe it or not.

@mrunix, thanks for putting my mind at ease. i was very worried abt that.

now,im gonna go try to find plans for a nice crosscut sled.

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HokieKen

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#7 posted 06-08-2016 03:05 PM



now,im gonna go try to find plans for a nice crosscut sled.

- 1201

Search this site for sleds. There are tons online but I did a bunch of research before I built mine and the ones on LumberJocks are the cream of the crop IMHO.

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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ohtimberwolf

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#8 posted 06-09-2016 01:13 AM

1201, you can also look here.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=5+cut+method

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#9 posted 06-09-2016 01:15 AM

Just because someone told you it’s safe, doesn’t automatically make it safe.
Safety, in many cases, is up to the user.
I’ve read about a lot of table saw injuries on this and other forums, and it seems like the majority of them are from people sticking their hands into the blade.
In that case, a blade guard will definitely make a table saw much safer.
Imo, knowing how to properly use a table saw, and paying attention to what you’re doing 100% of the time, can make a table saw very safe to use.

-- Gerry, http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/index.html http://www.jointcam.com

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MadMark

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#10 posted 06-09-2016 01:27 AM

Uhhh, since the blade is stationary you can say all saw accidents are from moving human parts into the blade …

M

-- Madmark - Madmark2150@yahoo.com Wiretreefarm.com

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#11 posted 06-09-2016 02:18 AM



Uhhh, since the blade is stationary you can say all saw accidents are from moving human parts into the blade …

M

- MadMark

False. Kickback related accidents.

-- You've got to be smarter than the tree.

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1201

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#12 posted 06-11-2016 07:57 AM

Thanks for the advice guys.

Soooooo, my saw has the dreaded fn alignment issue. Rookie mistake number one.dont buy a saw without cutting something on it.

Mistake number two. Dont buy cheap junk. Period.

will i damage it by filing the trunnion holes abt an eighth inch on the two closer to the back?

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1201

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#13 posted 06-14-2016 04:12 PM

hi again,

my question is , what cabinet saws under $1500 should I look at? buying right the first time is usually the cheapest way.

the only one I know of in that price range so far is the grizzly 1023. is this a good saw?

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MadMark

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#14 posted 06-14-2016 04:42 PM

Uhhh, since the blade is stationary you can say all saw accidents are from moving human parts into the blade …

M

- MadMark

False. Kickback related accidents.

- Picklehead

Saw accidents involve the BLADE. Kickback is a normal event on certain operations and is an operator error, not a saw accident, if you didn’t plan your cut properly. You can get kickback from any rotating tool, not just saws. Ever have a router misfeed?

M

-- Madmark - Madmark2150@yahoo.com Wiretreefarm.com

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knotscott

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#15 posted 06-14-2016 05:07 PM


hi again,

my question is , what cabinet saws under $1500 should I look at? buying right the first time is usually the cheapest way.

the only one I know of in that price range so far is the grizzly 1023. is this a good saw?

- 1201

Very good saw. Best bang for the buck on the market IMO. It’s a dream for most hobbyists….heavy, powerful, robust, precise, good fence, reliable, easy to use, etc., and is from a reputable company. The G0690 is a nice saw too, for not much more money. Note that you’ll need 220v to run them.

G1023RL:

R4512:

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