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06-05-2016 01:26 PM

Delta Unisaw or Powermatic?

Today, I can get the Delta 36-L352 for $600 less than the Powermatic PM2000.

The Delta is intriguing at this price point, but the Biesemeyer fence on this seems to get not so favorable reviews. How does the Accu fence on the Powermatic compare to the Biesemeyer? This fence dilemma is what’s holding me back from pulling the Delta trigger. I also like the built in mobile base of the PM. I may have to buy a mobile base for the Delta.

Opinions?


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#1 posted 06-05-2016 01:28 PM

If we are talking new, Sawstop.

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#2 posted 06-05-2016 01:56 PM

If the Delta is one of the older made in USA models, it certainly deserves a good look over. It was what I was going to buy until they moved the production to Asia….I wound up with a SS. Did I misunderstand the other thread, I didn’t think the PM was an option for you anymore?

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#3 posted 06-05-2016 01:58 PM

Don’t buy any Delta tool as they’ve changed hands numerous times over the past years and both part availability and service are real issues. Delta is just not the professional level tool line it was back 10-15 years ago. Personally, I’ve always had great luck with PM; but, I’m NOT a fan of Sawstop.

P.S. Saw stop is manufactured in the oriental rim, NOT the USA. And, yes, in my personal opinion, current Delta tools are garbage. The old Delta tools were great and worth looking at, just make sure you can get parts.

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#4 posted 06-05-2016 02:03 PM

I’m debating buying a NEW Delta Unisaw, Powermatic or I guess Saw Stop. The best discount I can get is on the Delta. Are you guys saying the recently made Deltas are garbage?

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#5 posted 06-05-2016 03:02 PM

That’s what I think (the new Delta’s are garbage). That may be a little strong, but at the moment, I’m passing on anything Delta…from a guy whose shop used to be all battleship gray!

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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#6 posted 06-05-2016 03:05 PM

They are good saws, but parts and service is a real concern with the current company.

I’m glad I bought my older style Unisaw when I did, as it was about half the price of the current model.

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#7 posted 06-05-2016 03:11 PM

The PM Accufence is a good copy of the old Biesemeyer design. It’s pretty much the same fence as the HTC and Jet Xacta II. Simply put, if you end up with one of aluminum front rails the new Biese fence is a downgrade IMO ….that doesn’t make it a bad fence, but they’ve definitely cheapened it. When Delta was first bought by Cheng Type Ltd, they kept manufacturing in the US for a couple of years, but the Unisaw is now made overseas like all the rest of them.

My question is why you’d choose either over the PCS 3hp with the T-Glide fence? It’s a great saw, and has a unique digit saving device that the others don’t have. It’s a no brainer in my view.

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#8 posted 06-05-2016 03:44 PM

Fred, PM was also recently sold, to a wall street investment firm.

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#9 posted 06-05-2016 04:16 PM



Fred, PM was also recently sold, to a wall street investment firm.

- Rick M.

Sounds like the “Gold Standard” may go to hell as well. Sad news for most of us.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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#10 posted 06-05-2016 04:27 PM

Knotscott – I was looking at the Saw Stop specs on the PCS and it appears to weigh 200 lbs less than either the Powermatic or Unisaw and the table does not appear to be as big either.

Am I seeing things?

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#11 posted 06-05-2016 04:34 PM

Sounds like the “Gold Standard” may go to hell as well. Sad news for most of us.
- Fred Hargis

IIRC, Powermatic (Houdaille) was sold sometime in the late 80’s and that was the start of their shift to manufacturing overseas. Sometime around 1999, it was purchased by Jet and by 2002, was merged in with the rest of the WMH Tool Group. Have no idea who owns it now, but it certainly isn’t the same company it used to be. Unfortunately, it’s a similar story to a lot of other once great US manufacturers.

Cheers,
Brad

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#12 posted 06-05-2016 04:41 PM

I don’t personally think it matters where something is manufactured as long as the quality checks out on the product. Can we really definitively say that quality HAS DECLINED? Is there evidential reporting of this? I don’t think we can. I guess I need to run down to Woodcraft and check out these saws in person and make the decision for myself. And then ensure I buy from a large entity such as Amazon or Home Depot to ensure my satisfaction for precision and quality is satisfactorily met.

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#13 posted 06-05-2016 04:52 PM

Noone,

I couldn’t agree more. There are a lot of people out there that piss and moan as soon as a product is no longer US made. They also complain about workers wages and then to top it off, prices are too high. I am generalizing here to a fair extent, but the problem is that I simply can’t afford a $2,000 table saw. So, I buy used and I buy good products from Asia. Find the best saw in your price range. Look at them all. Consider customer service and quality of product, as well as quality of purchase. As far as I’m concerned, country of origin should be lower on the list of priorities that most people here claim it is for them.

I would love to buy all new American. I simply can’t afford it.

-- When you earnestly believe you can compensate for a lack of skill by doubling your efforts, there is no end to what you CAN'T do

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#14 posted 06-05-2016 04:55 PM

Exactly. If it was made in the USA, this $3000 saw I’m sweating would cost $5k and then NO ONE would buy it. It’s a stark reality – everyone wants to buy USA but no one will pay for it.

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#15 posted 06-05-2016 05:03 PM

Can we really definitively say that quality HAS DECLINED?

Yes.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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