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Forum topic by Padre posted 04-15-2010 09:44 PM 1474 views 0 times favorited 17 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Padre

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04-15-2010 09:44 PM

I read this and at first thought “how stupid.” Then I thought about it. Does this mean that I can sue Martin if he edits or deletes an offensive post by me?

I guess we can say/do most anything nowadays and it’s covered under ‘free speech.’ And here I was always taught to respect our law enforcement officers. Actually, I was taught, and taught my children to respect others, period. How quaint, right?

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#1 posted 04-15-2010 10:16 PM

Sigh! To much talk about rights, and not enough about responsibilities.

Beyond that, I agree with you about how we taught our kids to respect people in positions of authority.

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#2 posted 04-15-2010 10:20 PM

How inappropiate. When something is done in a derogitory way and it constitutes their free speech. I guess the officer should see him.

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#3 posted 04-15-2010 10:33 PM

I agree with your sentiments about this moron. Rest assured that Martin is within his rights to remove offensive posts. Basically this website is a private organization (private in the sense that it is not owned by the government), and while the government can not infringe on free speech, a private organization has the right to establish and enforce it’s own rules about appropriate speech.

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#4 posted 04-15-2010 10:36 PM

well now we have the right to disrespect authority! How sad of shape is our country in?
Dont get me wrong I love being an american but we have fallen away from what this
country was founded on.

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#5 posted 04-15-2010 10:40 PM

I’m going to have to disagree. Free speech is meaningless if it only means the right to say “cops are heroes and puppies are cute”. To mean anything, it has to protect the worst and most offensive. Anything less is the slippery slope.

As for LJs and Martin, LJs is like private property, and a different set of rules applies.

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#6 posted 04-15-2010 10:54 PM

Just another example of why the Gene Pool could use a little more chlorine ;-)

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#7 posted 04-15-2010 11:15 PM

Thank you Toolz…. :)

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#8 posted 04-15-2010 11:39 PM

I also love being an American specifically because this country was founded on the Bill of Rights, and I find it encouraging that they are alive and well these days. And I also teach my children to be respectful. Yes, the guy’s outburst was deplorable and he should be ashamed for it, particularly in front of his kid, but the cop has far more important things to do than ticket petty rudeness.

-- Greg D.

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#9 posted 04-16-2010 12:01 AM

Actually, Greg, you have it a little backwards. Our first “Constitution” was called the “Articles of Confederation” which was intended to create a framework for the 13 colonies to operate as a single government entity – when it suited them. When it didn’t work – and the 13 states were near the point of total separation – a Constitutional Convention was held in 1789 which resulted in our Constitution.

The “Bill of Rights” (Amendments 1- 10) were a compromise added to get all of the colonies ito sign the agreement. They’re particularly interesting because their language doesn’t actually grant rights from the government, but speifically prevents the government from restricting specific rights.

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#10 posted 04-16-2010 01:07 AM

Free speach does not give one the right to slander or libel someone. It does not give us the right to reveal classified information if we happen to be in a position to know. I personaly believe that some matters are private and the public does not have a right to know. We do have the right and can critize the government or other enties I think that to many believe that screaming and ranting is free speach. I think that with this is the responsibilty to only state facts that we know to be true and to allow those who disagree with our opinion to present thier views in the same manner in which each of us does the same.

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#11 posted 04-16-2010 01:17 AM

Well, I see the problem from a different angle. I think the city is a wimp. Too bad they(the city) didn’t have the brass to support their officer. If I were the city’s chief, I think I would be having a heart to heart with the city manager and the mayor. Someone mentioned the ‘slippery slope’ I think this is another one. If anyone in that city had a shared braincell, they should have took the $5k settlement, added another $10K and asked the bleeding heart ACLU and the moron they were representing if they were up for buying the ticket for this ride. The city’s attorney is getting paid the same weather he is inside the courtroom or in his office. Just another case of wallet litigation.

This country is far from what it used to be!!

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#12 posted 04-16-2010 01:18 AM

Brother toolz & Chris…..I whole heartedly concur…amen

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#13 posted 04-16-2010 01:37 AM

Get real, people. Years ago I was spit on just for coming home from a hellhole called SEA. I was not allowed to do anything in retribution (active duty military do not have the right to free speech,free expression, etc when in uniform). I went there as a patriot; Not to loot, rape, pillage, or abuse little children, I came home as a patriot without having looted, raped, pillaged, or abused any children.

The cop needs to get a grip on the fact that people are not happy when fined. Live with it. Ignore it. Get over your ego because you have a position of authority and just do your job. I don’t recall anyone ever being permanently damaged because someone “flipped them the bird”

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Padre

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#14 posted 04-16-2010 01:48 AM

Go,
First off, welcome home brother.

Second, you are not the only person who took abuse in uniform coming home. I had the same experience. Spit on, and one person actually hit me over the head with a picket sign. Could I retaliate? No. And just because you and I went and served, proudly, and came home, luckily and proudly, does not make their actions right.

I would never condone such action, nor would I teach my children that it was an appropriate expression and use of free speech. Yet it is still up to the individual to determine what they feel is right and wrong. Doing what is comfortable is not often right, and doing what is right is rarely comfortable.

Oh, and here's another one I just read….....my hometown!

My .02

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kolwdwrkr

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#15 posted 04-16-2010 02:01 AM

Saying something vulgar and making obscene gestures are two different things. The vulgarities could be construed as verbal assult. The gesture could be construed as a threat, saying “f-you” in a manner that is geared to cause a reaction. The reaction is the officer penalizing him with disorderly conduct. Had it been someone else the reaction would have been a punch in the nose. In my opinion the officer is in the right regardless of free speach. Don’t harrass the officer and expect a happy day. This is BS, and obviously this country is flushing itself down the toilet if crap like that flies. And to those of you who think it’s okay well then ..l.,

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