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widdle

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04-14-2010 07:27 PM

Topic tags/keywords: live edge tim bor powder post beetles

I purchased my first few live edge slabs a few months ago and have the dreaded powder post beetle..So i have this real cool piece of fig apr. 18” x 5’ 6”x 2” with a crotch . Have tried 2 dosings of Tim-Bor and 1 wrapped in black plastic baked in the sun..But not working. Have read about need for a kiln,but no source in my area ..So am wondering if there is any other option before i trash it..possibly some sort of small funky hot box ? Thanks..Greg


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Michael Murphy

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#1 posted 04-14-2010 08:02 PM

Do you know anyone with a big chest type freezer? Meat Locker? Ice Cream storage or distributor? Leave it wrapped up and stick it in a freezer for a day or two.

-- Michael Murphy, Woodland, CA.

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#2 posted 04-14-2010 08:08 PM

TRy kerosene it works wonders with beetles infestation I have had success with it apply liberally then allow to dry after the beetles leave.NO smokingLOL

-- excuse my typing as I have a form of parkinsons disease

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#3 posted 04-15-2010 01:45 AM

I just got some tim-bor and am wondering if if was no help at all or just so-so. i have them in my barn and was planing on bring any wood i buy into the house to keep the buggers out of it. post what works if you could please thanks

-- Harry, Jackson Mi

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#4 posted 04-15-2010 03:29 AM

I personally use Bora Care brand treatment mostly as a preventative.One of our local pest controllers told me that he uses Bora Care exclusively on powder post beetles I’m not sure but I think freezing them won’t do anything except make them dormant . Kiln drying will fix’em for sure.I been told that all you really need to do is cook your wood at 135 degrees for 72 hours to kill everything, eggs and beetles. I bought some red oak once that had a minor infestation in the sapwood once and put ‘em in the kiln and fixed them. But I didn’t run the kiln over 125 .

-- mike & judy western md. www. pvwoodcrafts.com pvwccf1@verizon.net

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#5 posted 04-15-2010 04:42 AM

Thank you for the responses..michael..there is a 31 flavors down the street i frequant..I’ll chat em up..But hoping there is a better option..
Scotsman..That may be my best option ..I do smoke like a madman..Does the kerosene eventually evaporate ?

Swoper..The piles are down 30 % , but hard to say..The lumber was cut probably 6 months prior to me purchasing if that tells u anything? I here it is more effective just after milling but i dont know much except what i’ve read.
pv..Thanks gonna hold off on more chemicals for know.

What about drowning the critters? Or a 4’x4’x 8” ply box with a heater ? or is that a fire hazard ?

Just a framer ..Greg

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#6 posted 04-15-2010 05:03 AM

Harry; You could give Jeff Tervol a call. 517-287-5745. He is south of you down US127 in North Adams, MI. He has a saw mill and also does custom Kiln drying. He did a few hundred feet for me this last winter. He also has a good selection of nice native dry lumber.

-- Nils, So. Central MI. Wood is honest.Take the effort to understand what it has to tell you before you try to change it.

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#7 posted 04-15-2010 03:00 PM

Oluf thanks for the heads up but i have the beetles in the post that are the barn structure, I am going to try the tim-bor since I have really have no other low cost option. I do have a large oak on the property I was thinking of getting cut up I will give him a call if I do that

-- Harry, Jackson Mi

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#8 posted 04-15-2010 03:19 PM

So, stupid question time. How can you tell if the lumber has these beetles. I have heard about looking for little dust pile but are there any other indicators?

-- "Everything that is great and inspiring is created by the individual who labors in freedom" -- Albert Einstein

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#9 posted 04-15-2010 03:53 PM

Chris, yes little dust (frass) piles and holes in the wood. Here are a couple links for everyone to ID wood eating bugs.
http://www.upcrc.com/guides/wdamage/dwood.htm
http://www.entomology.wisc.edu/insectid/wood-attk.php

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#10 posted 04-15-2010 04:28 PM

I was looking for the article about it. It was either on the FWW site or Woodweb. The person said you can Bake ‘em or Freeze em, either method works. Gradual decline in temperature, like the change of seasons, allows the insects time to adapt to the change by changing body chemistry. Abrupt change in the temperature, like taking it from 70 to zero or below in a few hours by putting it in a freezer, kills the bugs.

Heat works but you need 130 degrees internal temp. for 4+ hours.

Here's something

-- Michael Murphy, Woodland, CA.

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#11 posted 04-15-2010 07:09 PM

Good time to make a steam box for steam bending? Surely that gets hot enough. And then you’d have it afterwards.

-- "We are what we repeatedly do; excellence then is not an act but a habit." ---Aristotle

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#12 posted 04-16-2010 01:54 AM

I have made a small hot box out of styrofoam insulation taped together to create a heating chamber. As the heatsource I used 3 halogen lights. Temp got up to 160 degrees in about 3 hours. I left it cook in there at that approx temp for 6 hours. I check my offcuts and sure enough the critters are dead. Pretty simple just be sure that you keep an eye on everything so that you don’t melt the styrofoam or get it too hot.

-- John , Central PA , www.jcsterling.com on facebook: http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/JC-Sterling-fine-furniture/104430802928776

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#13 posted 04-16-2010 03:23 AM

I have had them also. Generally, they bore into the tree while it is still standing – the holes and dust are made on there way out of the board. Usually the timbor or borate treatments don’t kill the eggs that are still inside, though heat and or freezing can. One of the benefits of kiln dried is that if they did it right, they have already killed the larvae in the lumber – and one of the risks of air dried is the surprise you get when you see the dust.

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#14 posted 04-16-2010 05:22 AM

Thanks guys ..I think i will try the box..Jc,What ,the foiled back stuff..Do you think a small space heater in there would work ?...Thanks again everyone for the feedback..
Thanks

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#15 posted 04-16-2010 06:18 AM

Don’t try to use a space heater…take John’s advice on the lights, and yes foil backed would be your best bet.

-- http://nelsonwoodworks.biz/

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