|Forum topic by Ryan Brown||posted 04-13-2010 03:25 AM||2419 views||0 times favorited||8 replies|
04-13-2010 03:25 AM
Short version – I want to show off the curly grain in the plywood while minimizing blotching. I’d also like to use something with little to no odor because we want to put our 2 year old in this one ASAP before my second son is born in about four weeks. We really want to get my son into this crib as soon as possible so he doesn’t feel like his new brother is in “his” crib as much…
Here is my dilemma. I built the 3 in 1 crib for my son that was in Wood Magazine a few years ago. It’s turned out great! Now for the finish… I don’t want to mess up hours of work in 15 minutes with a bad finish so I’ve come to an impasse. It doesn’t help that my wife keeps changing her mind on the samples I’ve made up.
I’ve spent hours on TWW, Lumberjocks, Google and my local Woodcraft getting as much info as I can on getting the results I want. The plywood has a curly figure that I want to show off, but wiping the solid wood parts with denatured alcohol shows that there will be random blotchiness.
Long version below.
Because this is a crib, and there is the possibility of chewing, and it needing to be odor free shortly after applying the finish. I’m pretty much set on a water based finish, General Finishes Polyacrylic to be exact. Since that dries water white, I’m experimenting on scraps with General Finishes water based Cinnamon dye stain, shellac and General Finishes pre-stain wood conditioners. See, the plywood parts have a curly figure that I would like to emphasize, but some of the hardwood parts have direction changes in the grain and wiping on some denatured alcohol shows that there will be a lot of blotching.
The water based wood conditioner doesn’t do much of anything for the figure. The oil based conditioner does highlight the curl some, but not as much as dye stain alone obviously. I really like the color I achieve with a conditioner then the dye stain on top, but the figure isn’t as obvious as the dye stain alone. BLO really makes it stand out, but I don’t know how long I’d have to wait before I put shellac over it and then my top coats. I’ve tried 4 colors of shellac on scrap that spent a week in the sun, and I really don’t care for any of them. The blonde shellac (1# cut) followed by the dye stain is lighter than the conditioner followed by dye stain, but doesn’t show off the figure as much as the oil based conditioner or the BLO.
Oil based poly and BLO alone look good, and I know that the color will darken with time, but I’m still concerned about curing time and an odor. But my wife wanted something that was darker now. Maybe I should just lock her out of the shop until the thing is finished.
In the Marc’s video “Pop Goes the Maple” I like how the dye brings out the figure, but with cherry I’ll also get random blotches.
So, here are the questions…
Can I put water based stain over top of an oil based conditioner? For example, the oil based conditioner says to wait at least 30 minutes, but not more than 2 hours before applying the stain.
How long would I have to wait to put shellac over the BLO?
Should I do different types of applications on different sections – i.e. dye stain on raw curly plywood, conditioner then dye stain on solid wood?
Anyone ever tint the topcoat with dye stain? I’ll experiment with that tomorrow.
Any input, advice and suggestions will be appreciated!
Of course, I understand that everyone has differences in taste and opinions will vary. Pictures to follow eventually.
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