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b2rtch

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1553 days ago

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I am planning on buying a jointer plane.
I have been shopping around and on Amazon there is this very gorgeous wooden jointer plane.

http://www.amazon.com/Wood-Jointer-Hand-Plane-Hock/dp/B001BYGAQ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1270861068&sr=8-1

I looked around for this Zen store, I read excellent reviews about their planes and I am very tempted to buy one to use it but also because this is a beautiful object, but on the other hand I was looking at videos on youtube about tuning wooden planes and I heard this person says that one is constantly tune them up and flattening the sole because of the weather/humidity changes.
That scares me a little bit.
Would I be better off buying a metallic jointer plane?
Thank you for your answers.
Bert

-- Bert


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#1 posted 1553 days ago

Bert, I can only comment on my personal experience with my #7 Stanley. Once I got it fixed up, it has worked great, warts and all, with absolutely no tuning issues other than slight adjustments to the depth of cut when I am using it. I love the look of wooden planes, but really like the low maintenance and comfort of the metal planes. I wound’t personally want to deal with the issues of a wooden plane, but I know people who absolutely swear by them!

Again, just me, but I would go with an old Bailey if you can find one and fix it up. It has the nostalgia and aesthetic appeal (at least to me) while being pretty darn solid. Not sure how big you want to go, but the WoodRiver #6 seems a very good quality plane for a little less than than the plane you posted (didn’t you just post a review of WoodRiver planes?—see PS). Good luck with whatever you chose to buy!

PS Didn’t you just get a few Wood River planes? How are those working out for you? I am really interested in the long term usability of those planes since I am pretty sure I am going to get one of them for my next plane when I need one.

-- David from Indiana --

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#2 posted 1553 days ago

dfdye
Yes, I have a #4 Wood River and I love it
I have been betting on Ebay for #7 and #11 Stanley.
The issue I have with Ebay is the shipping which makes the plane way expensive. Weather permitting I shall go to my local swap meet tomorrow looking for a joiner plane and hand saws.
Today locally I found a #7 for @25.00 I almost bought it but I am looking for a jointer plane not a jack plane.
I have been reading Chris Swartz books and I now want to use hand tools more than electric ones.
I am even thinking about making my own wooden jointer plane

-- Bert

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#3 posted 1553 days ago

Wood planes can be a pleasure to use, but you need one good jointer to flaten their soles, so it makes sense to get a Stanley 7 or 8 and then explore wood ones if you want after that. I have a pre-war Stanley 7 that works great, and is sometimes put to work flattening and truing the soles of some of my wood planes.

-- Galootish log blog, http://www.timberframe-tools.com

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b2rtch

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#4 posted 1553 days ago

When I bought my Wood River plane at woodcraft, the person who helped me told me that he would refuse to sale me a Groz plane!
Skarp you are right the #7 is a jointer, http://www.supertool.com/StanleyBG/stan1.htm#num7,

-- Bert

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#5 posted 1553 days ago

#7 is a jointer plane. I would go metal just for the mere fact that I know it is always in tune once tuned; unless dropped.

I like the idea of always having one set in my toolbox that I can use as a measurement against other tools. The other reason I would go metal is once true, you can test your winding sticks against the sole of the plane, or any other tool that you need to know if it is true.

-- Motivation alone is not enough. If you have an idiot and you motivate him, now you have a motivated idiot.

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b2rtch

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#6 posted 1553 days ago

I am not sure now that he said “refuse” but I am sure that he said that he would not sale me one.
Skarp the Woodriver are a little more expensive but the one I bought was ready out of the box. I polished the blade for the h—-l of it but I really did not had to. I followed Lie-Nielsen’s instructions to do it and took me just few minutes.
The Wood river is a beautiful and very well made plane.
The largest Wood River is a#6, which is a bit short for jointer plane.

-- Bert

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b2rtch

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#7 posted 1553 days ago

The Wood river blades are thicker than most other blades

-- Bert

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#8 posted 1553 days ago

I will suggest a metallic #7 or #8.
If you look at my project page you will see I have several (okay many ) wood planes.
The reason I choose to use the metal one is the weight. If you are going to plane a lot of material that has a few knots the metal one will cruise right through it. The momentum does the work for you. All you have to do is carry this heavy thing around …If you can still grab that #7 for $25. DO IT. A crappy one usually sells for $75. and up.

-- "My mission in life - make everyone smile !"

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#9 posted 1553 days ago

Bert – I wish I could give you details from hands on experience with both. There’s a part of me that’s routing for the Zen plane just because it’s so beautiful, but then I also realize the practicality and strength advantages of a good metal plane. I know that rosewood is very hard and that wood planes were used effectively for centuries. Also, I don’t use a jointer plane as a smoother, so while I’d want it to work well I wouldn’t get too concerned about it being setup perfectly.

If I were to buy a metal plane, it’d be top shelf whether via an older Millers Falls, Record, Bailey, Bedrock, Union, Sargent, or a newer Lie Nielsen/Veritas, which all have superior precision and metal choices in key areas than the inexpensive modern planes made overseas.

In the end, I’d probably go with my heart. To me, hand planes are different than screw drivers and other utility tools…it’s a connection to the past, and a nostalgic experience. I enjoy many of my other tools but there’s just something about a plane that calls to you that other tools don’t do. Good luck with your decision.

Here’s my Record 07:

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b2rtch

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#10 posted 1553 days ago

The Record is beautiful.
Thank you all for your replies. I shall buy a metallic jointer and later on a wooden one ( almost) just for the look

-- Bert

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map

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#11 posted 1552 days ago

Bert,

The Ken plane is really nice, it would look nice on display. It may even be great to use. For a user plane, however, I would recommend an iron plane. If you follow ebay, you should be able to fine a good Stanley #7 for >$75. Usually, it will require cleaning up, de-rusting and sharpening the blade, but this can be done in an hour or so. You can get a great user this way.

Good luck.

-- measure once, cut once, swear, start over

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Sean

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#12 posted 1551 days ago

bert, you dont really have to go thru ebay….check out your community or surrounding communities….i find most of my old tools at antique shops. works out better than ebay: no exhorbitant shipping, and you can pick it up, take it apart, check for square, see all sides of it, make sure its not a frankenplane, etc.

-- "Democracy is by far the worst system of government. Except all the others that have been tried." ~ Winston Churchill

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#13 posted 1551 days ago

very nice #7 i just started getting record planes and i like the metal ones better cuz the wood ones are hard for me to set the blade alot of tapping.

-- Ike, Big Daddies Woodshop, http://www.icombadaniels@yahoo.com

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#14 posted 1551 days ago

Sean, I tried local antics and swap-meet but so far I had no luck.
Last weekend I went to he largest swap-meet in Salt Lake City and there was not even one vendor selling old tools.

I found a #5 for $25.00 in decent shape, I already I have Wood river #4 so I did not buy it, but I wonder if should go get it because the price seems to be right.

The same store has a Sargent #5 in good condition for $75.00. Is Sargent a good brand?

-- Bert

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map

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#15 posted 1551 days ago

Assuming that it is all there, the $25 #5 should be a fairly good deal. From what I have seen, types 11-15 seem to be considered the best user planes. If you go to:

http://www.woodcentral.com/bparticles/pdatechart.pdf

There is a nice chart that works well in dating the Stanley planes. I bought a type 19 #5 for $20 at a shop and have been very pleased with the result. If you are going to clean one up, check out “EvapoRust”, the stuff is magic for removing rust with no other damage.

Good hunting.

map

-- measure once, cut once, swear, start over

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