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richgreer

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04-06-2010 08:28 PM

The general understanding is that Festool products are never on sale. That is not completely true. For today and tomorrow, Woodcraft is offering a 10% discount on the Festool plunge circular saws (TS55 and TS75). They are also offering free shipping.

If you ever wanted a Festool plunge circular saw this may be the time.

Questions – Does anyone have experience using a Festool with a conventional DC? Do I really need to buy their DC if I already have a good DC (with a 4” hose)?

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.


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#1 posted 04-06-2010 09:10 PM

I thought about hooking up my TS55 to the dust collector but decided against it. For two reasons: 1.) I have the DC on a 220 circuit. So unless i want to invest in a micro-switch that automatically starts up the DC with a 110 tool it wont happen. 2.) Even if i did say have the DC on a 110, (or invested in a micro-switch) the time it would take for the DC to start I would be finished with my cut. I just use my shop vac with a micro-filter bag from Sears (works the same as a festool).
Hope it help. Let me know how it works out for you.

-- I'd like to believe Murphy's Law haunts my woodshop, because if it's Karma it would mean I had something to do with it. - K.R.

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#2 posted 04-06-2010 09:35 PM

I can never quite understand festools and their pricing too rich for old Al .Question does it work any better? Like a mont blanc pen does it write any better or spell check I don’t think so. .Alistair

-- excuse my typing as I have a form of parkinsons disease

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#3 posted 04-07-2010 12:38 AM

I gotta go with Al. Too rich for my blood.
You can get two or three quality tools of the same nature for the price of one Festool.
Their stuff is really nice, but not that nice.

-- Eric, central Florida

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#4 posted 04-07-2010 06:36 PM

I have to (sort of) agree with those who say that Festools are just too expensive.

I used to think that about Mercedes-Benz cars until I bought one. Then I bought a second one. I used to think that BMW motorcycles were over priced until I bought one. Then I bought a second one of these also.

It’s hard to objectively understand and explain quality. You have to experience it.

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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#5 posted 04-07-2010 07:41 PM

Richgreer, I have the following Festool tools: RO 150E Sander, Plunge saw, OF 1400 Router, Table and the Cleantec dust extractor. I have used everything extensively except the router reason being I dont know how to use it properly. The first time I used it I did some damage to the table so for the time being I use my Ryobi. The problem with Festool they dont supply instruction manuals. Their motto is Festool tools last a lifetime. I wouldnt doubt that. I love my Festool tools but I love my Mercedes Benz more.

-- When you know better you do better.

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#6 posted 04-07-2010 10:15 PM

Festool is definitely expensive. Is it worth it—that depends on your personal situation, it’s not for everyone.
Dealers are required to have demos (Well, unless you sell online. It’s kind of hard to demo over the Internet) If there is one in your area, go check it out. You should be able to see it in action.

Rich had a good point. I used to ride a Kawasaki tour bike (Until someone tried to kill us) Anyway, I test drove a BMW once. Wow!!!! The difference was incredible. See a pattern here-German vs Japanese? Don’t get me wrong, the Kawasaki was a very nice bike. Was the BMW that much better? I think so and I would have paid the difference had I not crashed and quit riding.

There are alternatives to the Festool Plunge Saw. DeWalt and Makita both came out with one. They are so innovative that they look incredibly like Festool’s and very close in price. Most people complain constantly about “cheap Chinese crap”——-how often does that phrase pop up. Have you ever heard the term “cheap German crap”? There is a reason for that.

-- http://shepherdtoolandsupply.com/

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#7 posted 04-08-2010 12:15 AM

Well – I did it. I ordered my TS55 plunge circular saw. This will be my first Festool. I have a job coming up that would ordinarily require me to have a table saw on site. In theory, the Festool will serve as an on site table saw and save me the ordeal of acquiring a contractor’s TS or moving my 400 pound TS. We’ll see.

I expect to fall in love with the TS55. We’ll see. I am in love with my BMW motorcycles. Those Germans are great engineers.

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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#8 posted 04-08-2010 12:17 AM

Rich, Congratulations
You won’t regret it. I haven’t seen anyone who did yet!

-- http://shepherdtoolandsupply.com/

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#9 posted 04-08-2010 07:22 AM

Rich, you’re gonna love the TS55! The only downside to owning the Festool is that you really need the system. The TS55 is great, it is great +1 when you get the vacuum, add +2 when you get the guide rails.

I do not see a downside to using the TS55 with another DC. You might with other Festool. The Rotex is different because you need the right amount of suction and the CT vac you can dial in how much suction power you need.

-- Motivation alone is not enough. If you have an idiot and you motivate him, now you have a motivated idiot.

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#10 posted 04-08-2010 08:38 AM

Rich did you order the table as well?

-- When you know better you do better.

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#11 posted 04-08-2010 02:06 PM

I did not order the table of the vacuum yet. Something tells me I will be ordering the vacuum shortly.

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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#12 posted 04-09-2010 12:17 AM

Good choice on the new purchase . You’re gonna love that saw , I know Festool isn’t cheap but it’s such a pleasure to use fine tools no matter the brand name. You will be able to hook the saw up to any shop vac , you’ll have to turn the vac on manually . As for the 4” DC hose I doubt you’ll want to drag that hose behind the saw . You could probably get a reducer and some small hose if you don’t have a shop vac .

If you haven’t done so I would suggest another 55” track and the couplers to join them and the 33” track is nice to have also . Sometimes that 55” track gets in the way when making small cuts . Clamps are nice too but not all that necessary , the weight on the saw holds the track down pretty good . Enjoy your new saw .

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#13 posted 04-09-2010 11:46 PM

Rich, I dont know if you have seen the saw in action but just in case you havent I just want to mention that the saw works in conjunction with the guide rail I have use the saw on the guide rail without the table and it can be done but would recommend you get the table and the vacuum. The table can fold up and be transported. Im just speaking from experience I have had my Festool tools for a few years now. The reason I bought Festool, I attended a demo and was very impressed with their safety features. My husband actually bought all the Festools for me because he wanted me to have the best (God Bless him). As I mentioned before the router hasnt been used much. I have seen demo’s for it but by the time you get home you have forgotten half of what was shown. The reason why the vacuum is handy is because when you start up the machines the vacuum turns on automatically saving you time switching everything on and off. Do let us know what you have decided, you will have a lot of fun with Festool. You can also have a look at youtube to help you get started.

-- When you know better you do better.

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#14 posted 04-10-2010 02:38 AM

Thanks for all the great comments and suggestions. The festool TS55 arrived this afternoon but I have not had time to really work with it yet. In the course of my woodworking life I have purchased many tools. I have never been more excited about a new tool than I am right now about my Festool.

Tomorrow I will give it a bit of a workout. Can’t wait.

Let me also comment that, for all intents and purposes, I am an anti-case guy. When I want to use a tool, I want to grab it and use it. There are no tools in my shop that are stored in their case. However, the case for the Festool is exceptional. I may actually store my Festool in its case.

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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#15 posted 04-10-2010 06:20 PM

Rich, How can you “not have time” to use a new tool like that? I would think you would skip meals, or sleep, or time with the in-laws (yeah, right) or anything, but man, you have to use it. Of course now it’s been 15 hours so maybe you have tried it by now.—-Just giving you a hard time by the way!

I have the table and the vacuum. The table is great, but if I had to make a choice, I would get the vacuum first.

-- http://shepherdtoolandsupply.com/

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