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Forum topic by RJweb posted 05-03-2016 01:11 AM 1749 views 0 times favorited 40 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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05-03-2016 01:11 AM

Topic tags/keywords: tablesaw

I received an email to from tool nut today with their sale items. The Bosch saw was listed and can preorder it. On their web site it says avavable June 1, I thought they lost the law suit with Sawstop and cannot produce it.

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#1 posted 05-03-2016 01:34 AM

I thought they lost the law suit with Sawstop and cannot produce it.
- RJweb

That would be quite a trick since the court case isn’t even expected to begin until sometime this month, and a decision not until around August.

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#2 posted 05-03-2016 11:16 AM

I hope they can ketchup to Sawstop.

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#3 posted 05-03-2016 12:41 PM

Bosch is going to have to mustard up every bit of legal expertise they have to win this one.

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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#4 posted 05-03-2016 12:51 PM

FORGET THE WHALES, SAVE THE HOTDOGS!

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#5 posted 05-03-2016 04:16 PM

The mechanism by which Bosch stops the saw blade is unrelated to Sawstop’s mechanism. The Bosch uses an airbag squib. The Sawstop uses inertia of the spinning blade itself. The Sawstop brake is destructive. The Bosch brake isn’t. The Sawstop brake module is and resuable at least once and is cheaper. The Bosch design is a unique superior alternative to Sawstop’s mechanism – just the sort of thing that is patentable in itself. The mere concept of having a saw brake probably isn’t an enforceable concept. I think it is Sawstop who is going to have a hard time proving a patent infringement claim and it will be expensive. I think Sawstop already knows this and they are just desperately trying to preserve their monopoly on blade braking. Bosch is a much, much bigger company than Sawstop and has some very deep pockets to defend their rights. They must be pretty confident since they are advertising them for sale beginning in June.

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#6 posted 05-03-2016 04:43 PM

It won’t be until they peel back all the layers of the onion will there be tears on someone’s hotdog.

Greg

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#7 posted 05-03-2016 04:52 PM

+1 with ArtMann
Bosch is a much better design and Sawstop knows that their days of being “king” of safety are numbered.

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#8 posted 05-03-2016 04:56 PM

Sawstop knows that their days of being “king” of safety are numbered.

Perhaps, but Bosch only makes a jobsite saw. If you want a cabinet saw with the safety features, that is something Bosch does not make… so the only choice remains Saw Stop-

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#9 posted 05-03-2016 06:25 PM


Sawstop knows that their days of being “king” of safety are numbered.

Perhaps, but Bosch only makes a jobsite saw. If you want a cabinet saw with the safety features, that is something Bosch does not make… so the only choice remains Saw Stop-

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My first thought upon seeing Bosch’s saw was “Wow, that is a lot of plastic.”

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builtinbkyn

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#10 posted 05-03-2016 06:27 PM

The fact that Sawstop would try to prevent another company from implementing a safety device is rather cheesy. I bet Bosch will give any lawsuit a chili reception. :)

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#11 posted 05-03-2016 06:46 PM



The Bosch design is a unique superior alternative to Sawstop s mechanism – just the sort of thing that is patentable in itself. The mere concept of having a saw brake probably isn t an enforceable concept. I think it is Sawstop who is going to have a hard time proving a patent infringement claim and it will be expensive. I think Sawstop already knows this and they are just desperately trying to preserve their monopoly on blade braking.

- ArtMann

Bingo.

I believe that in electronic IP, like software, you can patent a concept. However, for physical products the patent is for the mechanism that achieves the end result, not the result itself. While SawStop should be given props for coming up with the idea, they cannot prevent other companies from coming up with novel ways to achieve the same (or better) result.

Bosh’s saw may not compete with the nice SawStops, but their tech opens the floodgates for competition. Bosch can start a cabinet saw line under a subsidiary by starting a new company or buying a known woodworking name to compete with SawStop; they could sell exclusive patent rights to another company; they could just make it an open season and collect royalties on any sale that incorporates their technology. This is why SawStop’s buns are a little burnt.

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#12 posted 05-03-2016 06:55 PM

Comments on Bosch as the lowly upstart fighting against the patents of Sawstop are hilarious to me. I like Bosch tools, my router and my 12v cordless tools are Bosch, as are my wiper blades. I like the way they make things.

OTOH, Bosch has about $80 billion in revenues, Sawstop somewhere under $5 million (not totally clear). Who is David and who is Goliath?

Further, want to read about Bosch and patents? https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=bosch%20patent%20cases It’s not like they haven’t been the ones defending patents against others who are innovating into their markets.

I want both companies to do well, since they’re both doing well by woodworkers. But making this into some Angels and Demons scenario just doesn’t work.

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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#13 posted 05-03-2016 07:00 PM

^^ I don’t think we read the same post. It’s not that SawStop is any type of Goliath, it’s that they were the only player in a niche market. That is no longer the case. They had a small pie and they’re no longer going to have it all because the big boys have come to play.

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#14 posted 05-03-2016 07:12 PM

I have a saw stop but I am rooting for Bosch.

Saw Stop lost my confidence in them. I mailed them a defective cartridge at my expense… It had mysteriously activated when cutting very dry birch plywood with no fingers within 12 inches of the blade. after they hooked it to their computers and analyzed it I was told they would send a replacement break cartridge.. I NEVER received the replacement they told me they would send.

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#15 posted 05-03-2016 07:28 PM

Here’s something that gets lost in all the sawstop hate. From what I understand when you get a patent and you don’t defend it you can lose it. Now I can’t defend sawstop from trying to mandate the technology on every saw made but I also can’t fault them for defending their patent because the way the law works they have to.

-- Trust me I'm an engineer.

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