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02-10-2007 04:28 PM

Iam new to woodworking and would like to build some of the cool stuff you all are making. Do any of you guy or gals make your drawings available for us to try to build? Thanks Bill

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#1 posted 02-10-2007 04:35 PM

Sure Bill.
Let me run down to you my process. I see a picture of something i like. Then I figure out in my head what I want it to look like. Then I scribble onto paper what size i need it to be.

Now that I’ve answered that generally, my suggestion for you is:
1) Find what you like or want to build,
2) send the Lumberjock who made it a message asking for dimensions.

Most of the Jocks love to help. I, for one, will be glad to assist you in any way I can.

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#2 posted 02-10-2007 04:55 PM

Bill,

There are many free plans available on the net and from many of the woodworking mags., and publications. I agree with Obi most wood workers are glad to share or help. I find that many times there are mistakes or ways so make a project better or simpler and they are ( I am at least) willing to share what I learned.

Dusty

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#3 posted 02-10-2007 05:47 PM

Dusty, I’ve gone one step further. I got free plans from Bob’s Plans, Plansnow, Knotty Plans, and if they were in a pdf format, I saved them and loaded them to my website. I have no qualms about taking something I got for free from the internet or anywhere else and posting it. I’ve even taken plans from magazines, and turned them into pdf files so I could give them to others.

I’ll probably hear some copyright speech, but if i got my hands on it, then it’s mine to freely give away, and if there was somebody else’s signature on it, then I left it so that the right author woulld get the credit.

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#4 posted 02-10-2007 06:12 PM

I agree, most are free domain if no copyright is listed, I don”t see a problem. The big worry as you know – is if you take credit or profit from someone elses work. Most of these plans there is no one to go back to even request permission from to use them. . If i use a plan from a wood mag, I am very very careful to credit them and more times than not I find a lot of mistakes and a lot eaiser ways to do something. I do e-mail them and let them know what I found to be wrong.
I can’t tell you how many hours when I first started wood working that I was tryiing to build something to there mesurement’s and specs – only to find it wouldn’t work. Worse yet – I was so sure they were right and I wasn’t doing it right or seeing something that I should of andit almost drove me crazy.

Now, its just a expecation that there will be mistakes and better ways to do something that matches my skills and tools that I have.

So many of those plans I find also are adopted to what ever tool they are selling in that publication at the time.

I found it made me a better wood worker to try other methods and various ways to construct.

I now question everything.

Dusty

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#5 posted 02-10-2007 06:33 PM

And I’m a man … Directions? I don’t need no stinking directions. I read all the manuals with all of my power tools, but nothing like live and learn. Which is probably why every one of my “First Attempts” is flawed. I’ll do it my way and learn the hard way, and if I were to go back and read the instructions they’d probably show me the right way, but I love the slogan “I can fix it”. Awww, the Learning Curve

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#6 posted 02-10-2007 07:19 PM

I recently purchased a CD with plans from here , this is their list of free plans that may help you.

-- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1

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#7 posted 02-10-2007 10:40 PM

watch the small print on any plan. Even the plans you buy have a copywrite that will limit the number of copies that you can make from the plan. I don’t think I have seen a purchased set of plans that would allow someone to buy it, and build multiple copies for sale. All of the plans I have seen will allow private use only.

I just saw another ad in the issue of Fine Woodworking I received today for a Maloof Rocking chair school in California. No mention of Mr. Maloof as the designer of the chair, just someone making money teaching copies of his work. It is a crazy world.

BillP: my suggestion if you see a project you want to try and build, contact the lumberjock that posted the project and figure out how to proceed. Some will tell you where they bought their plans, some will draw something up for you, others will decline, but you can always start by asking and see where it goes. I have quite a few things I don’t post as projects, as I am not ready to have them copied, and I am sure I am not alone.

take care,

-- Mark DeCou - American Contemporary Craft Artisan - www.decoustudio.com

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#8 posted 02-11-2007 08:38 PM

This is a very interesting topic.

My son and i just completed a plan for one of my extreme birdhouses.
He is listing it on EBay today.
For all you experts who sell their work or patterns WHERE is the best place to sell such things ? Other then EBay

-- John in Belgrave (Website) http://www.extremebirdhouse.com , http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=112698715866

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#9 posted 02-12-2007 01:04 AM

One of the books that I recently bought allows me to make 3 copies.. 3, that’s it. and then the book is worthless (as a source of patterns)

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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#10 posted 02-12-2007 05:48 AM

Allows you to make three copies? How does it know how many copies you make? How does it know who you send it to?

I take what I can get when I can get it, and I send it to whoever I want. I don’t call the people up and say “excuse me Mr. Magazine Guy, I just copied your plan and sent it to my Lumberjock buddy in … Minnesota, and he’s going to send it to Australia. Does that count as three copies?”

Like I said … If it’s on the internet, take it. It’s free.

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#11 posted 02-12-2007 02:49 PM

I am a firm believer in copyright—if someone is using a format to share their craft while earning an income from it, then who am I to steal from them.

Now, on the other hand, I am seeing, more and more, (as I have mentioned before) a trend towards “open source” where the goal is to share information and vision and ideas without claiming ownership.

So, while I support copyright, I am also searching for the “copyright free” options. I think it is the way of the future.

(and re: copyright, once you write it/draw it/ speak it.. the idea is yours. Being on the internet does not change the copyright rules.)
There are lots of FREE things out there. You just have to do a little searching. Or look at an idea and change it to be your own. We have a lot of creative people in here; I’m sure no one would have troubles with adapting an idea to make it their own.

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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#12 posted 02-12-2007 03:17 PM

I was given a calender from years gone by with the pictures all being paintings by a certain artist. With the selling of the Calender the Artist was paid his royalties. It was then given to me, and made picture frames and put the pictures from the calender in the frames and sold them. If I buy an item, and then dcide to sell it later I have that right. If I buy a painting and then decide to show a friend what the picture looks like I have that right. If I take a picture of a painting and then decide to send the picture to a friend to show them what it looks like, I have that right. It’s only when I start selling copies that I MIGHT start to infringe on somebody’s copyright.

Not only am I a Business Administration Major I have a year of Business Law. When a government makes rules, and then amendments to those rules and exceptions to those rules, and I find them, then I have the right to apply them.

I’m not talking about selling copyrighted material, I’M TALKING ABOUT GIVING AWAY SOMETHING I HAVE EITHER PAID FOR OR AQUIRED FREE.

And building plans are not usually copyrighted because if you cannot copyright a Dovetail joint, a dado, a mortise and tenon, then how are you going to copyright a building plan? If that was the case then somebody would have copyrighted the “Stick framing” proceedure used today in the manufacturing of the modern home in which we live.

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#13 posted 02-12-2007 03:49 PM

I’m afraid, Michael, that you will get very few followers on your “if it’s on the internet, it’s free” campaign.

Like Mark, that attitude is one of the reasons why I’ve posted just a few of my projects and probably why there are some projects I’ll never post.

I’d be more than glad to discuss methods of work, like what kind of joinery I used or how I finished a piece, but I don’t think I’d ever give a step-by-step process of how I constructed something from beginning to end with every dimension and measurement.

Most things I’ve made have come from my own head; I either don’t draw up the plans to be that detailed or I’ve put a lot of time and effort into the proportions and dimensions and I wouldn’t feel right just giving all of that time and effort away. And personally, I think it’s much more interesting to work out problems on my own and build something starting from nothing – I’d hate to take that challenge away from a fellow woodworker!

I think I’ve said this before on a forum topic or blog, but if I do purchase plans or use plans from a magazine or website, I’ll use them specifically to figure out how what kind of joinery was used in a certain situation or how much of a reveal was used. I don’t think I’ve ever followed a plan from beginning to end.

-- Ethan, http://thekiltedwoodworker.com

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#14 posted 02-12-2007 05:30 PM

I think woodcarvers are the biggest copy cats of all. One example is if you google wood spirits images, you’ll get 2200 images of wood spirits, & that’s just the tip of the iceberg. There isn’t much deviation to their look. I carved a few wind spirits when I first started, but I moved on to other things. When I carve I don’t care to be repetitive. Some carvers make a living just carving wood spirits.

-- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1

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#15 posted 02-12-2007 05:39 PM

Well Ethan, So far there a millions that download stuff for free. It cannot be stopped. Now for your not posting some items, that’s up to you. All that means is that some of your best work will probably never be seen.

I’ve heard it said that imitation is the greatest form of flattery. I don’t care if everyone makes a million things just like mine, I can only sell it once.

Bill Gates “pimped” out his Operating system in the early days and many people copied it and now it is the largest selling Operating System in the world. Steve Jobs clung tightly to his which is why he came in second in a field of ….2.

I’m using this forum to exchanges ideas, techniques, tricks of the trade, whatever. If nobody sees my work nobody knows what I can do. If nobody sees your work, how do you expect the concumer outside of Missouri to see it.

Pro 29:18 Where there is no vision, the people perish:

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