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Paul Ciura

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03-18-2010 04:45 AM

Topic tags/keywords: table saw question

Trying to get my garage shop going this summer. I would like to purchase my first table saw. Budget is tight, but the saw is the staple of the shop and it’s hard to do those projects without it.

Currently I’m looking at the Delta 36-980 with T2 fence ($679), Delta 36-981 with UNIFENCE ($819) or Delta 36-982 with BIESEMEYER fence ($923). From what I read so far, the only difference seems to be the fence these come with.

Can I get away with the T2 setup, or is it recommended to go up higher on the quality scale? Any input would be appreciated.

-- Paul Ciura (Tampa, FL) http://www.paulciuraphotography.com


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#1 posted 03-18-2010 04:52 AM

The T2 Fence is a good fence, I have the biesemeyer fence on my Unisaw, its the best.

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#2 posted 03-18-2010 04:52 AM

I have been using Beismeyer on a Unisaw for 25 years. Works great. T Square fence, they are not kidding. Easily adjustable, adaptable, no repairs or complaints in all that time. (New tapes and little windows for the fence but those are easy)

-- Michael Murphy, Woodland, CA.

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#3 posted 03-18-2010 06:08 AM

Buy a used saw. You can get a good older PM 66 or Unisaw for $1000 or less and they’ll be twice the saw you can buy new. You could also buy a 20 yr old delta contractors saw that would be less than half the price of new and a much better piece of equipment. I have a 20+ yr old pm66 with a Beismeyer, love it.

-- Glen

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#4 posted 03-18-2010 08:15 AM

the T-2 fence is a great fence. I used one for years.

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#5 posted 03-18-2010 08:34 AM

I’d go used. There are lots of Craigslist deals to take advantage of. I have a buddy who got a jet that’s just as nice as that delta 36-982 for $450. This saw was only a year and a half old. The guy throw in a 100$ dado stack and a new ripping blade. The guys here are right in your price range you should be able to find a cabinet saw (twice the power and capability).

-- Aaron - central California "If you haven't got the time to do it right, when will you find the time to do it over?"

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#6 posted 03-18-2010 01:19 PM

Hi Paul – The T2 fence is a nice bargain, but none of the saws you listed is a particularly good deal IMO. Even though they’re capable saws, $680 to $920 is a lot of money for what they are…a new contractor saw with outdated technology. That saw does not offer a riving knife, and uses the 60 year old design that locates the motor outside of the enclosure, which poses several disadvantages. It’s worth noting that the Deltas also use the older style connecting rods between the trunnions, which are more likely to twist than a one piece design. The benefit of having the motor outside the enclosure was for easy removal back in the days when those saws were used by contractors as portables, with the evolution of true portable jobsite saws, the traditional contractor style saw is nearing obsolescence. At those prices it’s hard to recommend those particular Delta saws.

The newer hybrid saws are an evolution of the original contractor saw design. Many offer riving knives vs conventional splitters, and many have moved the motor inside the enclosure, which has the benefit of taking up less space, having better dust collection, a shorter drive belt (lower vibration and better power transfer), and there’s no chance of having the motor hit something when the blade is tilted which whacks the alignment. Every major manufacturer now offers a hybrid type saw…some still call it a “contractor saw” but the belt drive induction motor is housed inside the enclosure.

There are good examples from Jet, General International, Steel City, Craftsman, Delta, Woodtek, Grizzly, Shop Fox, Hitachi, and Ridgid.

If you’ve got 220v, there are 3hp cabinet saws available near the $1k range, which are considerably more robust than either a hybrid or contractor saw.

Delta 36-715 ~ $950:

Jet Proshop 708480K/708482K ~ $800-$900:

Woodtek ~ $930:

Grizzly G0661 ~ $944 shipped (w/riving knife):

Craftsman 22116 (by Steel City, w/riving knife – currently $854, goes down below $700 occasionally):

Craftsman 21833 (w/riving knife – $400-$550):

Steel City 35920 (w/riving knife – $650):

Shop Fox W1725 (Grizzly item 21853 – older style like the Deltas $425/$519 shipped):

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#7 posted 03-18-2010 03:29 PM

Thanks so much for your input all!

knotscott, nice list of saws. Is there a preferred place to purchase those from, or just google it?

-- Paul Ciura (Tampa, FL) http://www.paulciuraphotography.com

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#8 posted 03-18-2010 03:38 PM

I have the same model Delta that you are looking at with the T2 fence. I couldn’t be happier with it. It is a solid contractor saw. I thought I wouldn’t like the T2 fence at first, but it is great.

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#9 posted 03-18-2010 04:08 PM

Paul – The two Jet models and the Delta were on Amazon, but there will likely be dealers of both all around the country (with varying prices). Grizzly.com has the Grizzly and Shop Fox saws, Sears has the Craftsman, Woodworkersupply.com has the Woodtek, and several dealers will have the Steel City… including Highland
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#10 posted 03-18-2010 08:03 PM

That Woodtek saw is grabbing my interest. Does anyone know where can a person donate a kidney? :) I guess I will have to save some more. Once again thanks for the input.

-- Paul Ciura (Tampa, FL) http://www.paulciuraphotography.com

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#11 posted 03-18-2010 08:49 PM

That Woodtek saw is actually made by GeeTech in Taiwan. The same basic bones are also in the original General International 50-220, the Sunhill Machinery, and the Craftex hybrid (in Canada). Points of consideration for that design are the thin throat inserts, and the fact that the motor has a proprietary mount design so replacement motors aren’t a standard “off the shelf” NEMA 56 frame.

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#12 posted 03-18-2010 09:27 PM

FWIW, If I were looking for a new saw, I wouldn’t even consider any model not fitted with a Riving Knife. I have one on my cheapo Ryobi, no reason higher dollar saws don’t have one…

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#13 posted 03-18-2010 09:29 PM

Hey Paul, I sold my Delta 36-980 six months ago. It was a fine saw and did everything I needed it to do. The T-2 fence was a very good fence. I wanted 3hp cabinet saw. My new Delta has the biesemeyer fence and to me it is a better fence, but the T-2 will do the same thing just make sure its set up correctly and check it from time to time.

Above statements are correct you can get a very good used cabinet saw for close to what you pay for a new contractor saw if you keep on the look out.

Your table saw will be the heart of your work shop. You should not skimp in this area. IMO

-- Senior Chief

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Paul Ciura

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#14 posted 03-18-2010 09:34 PM

Is Craigslist the only place (not counting Ebay) for this type of power tool? Anyone using any other auction sites?

-- Paul Ciura (Tampa, FL) http://www.paulciuraphotography.com

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#15 posted 03-18-2010 09:48 PM

The 36-715 came out ~2005, shortly after the launch of the Craftsman “zipcode” hybrids (22114/22124), so it’s not one of the latest entries, and thus it lacks a riving knife like the most recent models. Compared to the 22114 & 22124, it has table mounted trunnions vs cabinet mounted trunnions, but is otherwise fairly similar, having older style connecting rods between the trunnion brackets. It also has a very similar motor, motor mount, and drive system as the 22124. I know that an aftermarket riving knife called the BORK from Walnutacre WWing will fit the Craftsman and older Steel City hybrids, but I’m not sure if it’ll fit the Delta 36-715/716/717. If the price was right, it could be a good saw with a good blade and proper alignment.

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