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Forum topic by Beginningwoodworker posted 03-18-2010 04:31 AM 8829 views 0 times favorited 28 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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03-18-2010 04:31 AM

I know its been a dabate about a shaper vs router table, I dont know if it been talk about here. The reason I am asking this question, I am thinking about getting Jet 1-1/2 hp shaper for making raise panel doors, and doing millwork. But I dont know if its a wise move. I built me a small router table but I dont think I would use it for millwork and raise panel doors.


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#1 posted 03-18-2010 04:38 AM

Shapers work on edges of parts. Routers can do a lot more detailed, delicate things. It’s hard to make a raised panel with a router unless it’s a 3 HP speed control, and even then it’s not the best. If you want to make RP doors get a shaper. Be careful, it’s the Great White Shark of the Woodworking world.

See a woodworker with a missing digit, 75% chance it was due to a shaper accident. (Informal poll)

-- Michael Murphy, Woodland, CA.

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#2 posted 03-18-2010 04:43 AM

I know I am looking at the Jet because it use router bits.

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#3 posted 03-18-2010 04:58 AM

Do a lot of resurch on that shaper if you are thinking apout using router bits with it.. On most shapers you can’t get the range of height adjustment when you use the collet in place of the spindle. Check the speed. router bits need to iurn much faster than shaper cutters. How many feet per second does the cutter surface travel? Slow running router bits bend very easy.

-- Nils, So. Central MI. Wood is honest.Take the effort to understand what it has to tell you before you try to change it.

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#4 posted 03-18-2010 06:00 AM

You got some great advice from these two guys. Even us rubes down in Herald, CA are afraid of shapers… I had a chance to get one cheap but passed. You can do a lot more with a router table especially if you do get a big router. I use the big Milwaukee 3 1/2hp and do pretty much what I need to do. (You still gotta watch the fingers though, I got bit twice). Whatever you decide on, make sure you really “need” it or you really gonna “use” it a bunch. Lots of $$$ either way.

-- jack -- ...measure once, curse twice!

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#5 posted 03-18-2010 06:02 AM

I been thinking about getting the Milwaukee 3-1/2 hp router.

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#6 posted 03-18-2010 06:03 AM

I decided o go the router table route mainly because I was accustomed to it and I’ve got hundreds of $ invested in bits. However, I think you can get a good shaper for less that it costs to buy or build a router table. The top of the line bench dog router table is $840 while a 1 1/2 hp grizzley shaper is $540. Even if you build your own RT, the router is $250, the insert is $100 for aluminium,you’ll also need 2 sheets of plywood, drawer hardware and hinges, formica for the top, dust collection, etc. This is a really good question. Good luck finding your solution.

-- Glen

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#7 posted 03-18-2010 06:09 AM

You would like the Milwaukee. Lots of power, ho, ho, ho! My son uses one to cut out window holes in new houses instead of a sawzall or whatever. I have 3 3/4” bits that I spin with that bad boy. No problem. You can get away with a home made router table for quite a while until you can afford to step up. I would love to have that bench dog with the cast iron top and am saving my lunch money for it. See if you can find a steel Wolfcraft stand alone router table. HD used to sell them for about $120 new. A used one would be less. They work well once you level the top.

-- jack -- ...measure once, curse twice!

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#8 posted 03-18-2010 06:13 AM

I may redo my current small router table by adding a router plate form wood peck for my Hitach M12VC 2-1/4 Hp fixed base router, and a t-slot to the fence and table, I built me a new fence out of plywood.

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#9 posted 03-18-2010 06:15 AM

Bigger, flatter, stiffer, smoother with a t-slot, that’s the ticket! Good luck and show some pics sometime.

-- jack -- ...measure once, curse twice!

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#10 posted 03-18-2010 06:19 AM

Yes I think the t-slot is a good idea!

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#11 posted 03-18-2010 06:28 AM

As an aside; while reading the Sawstop table saw threads today what was on my mind was thinking about how much safer using a table saw is then a shaper or router table.

-- Ohh mann...pancakes and boobies...I'll bet that's what Heaven is like! ♣ ♣ ♣ ♣

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#12 posted 03-18-2010 06:46 AM

I have the 1 1/2 hp Jet shaper and have done a tool review if you care to look. I went with the shaper over the router table because I felt:
It is a lot more quite.
I have the option of using both shaper cutters or router bits.
I get a bigger varity of designs/shapes by using both
You have more power for the bigger cutters.
It has a forward and reverse for cutting in different directions.
It is a lot heavy and has less vibration.

I am sure a lot of people will say the router table is the better way to go and that is fine.These are my reasons for going with the shaper. Good luck!

God Bless
tom

-- Mc Bridge Cabinets, Iowa

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#13 posted 03-18-2010 03:18 PM

Thanks, guys for the advice, I will weight my options.

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#14 posted 03-19-2010 01:39 AM

Shaper are nice tool. I guess it depends on whether you are going to use it a lot, I ended up with a
Porter Cable 3 1/4 hp router, 27 X 53 router table and Incra LS Positioner and Wonder Fence. I will say that this unit is pretty tough and it will do anyting that you toss at it. I am currently working on a cabinet to hold all of my belongings…........ So looking back I would of bought the router set up that I have over the shaper.

-- Mike, VT

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#15 posted 03-19-2010 02:17 AM

I would vote shaper myself. I run a router table and shaper in our shop and would never want to build doors on our router. For styles and rails a router would be fine though. I personally would look at CL at any of the major cities within 3 to 5 hours drive from you and just be patient. A great deal on a 2 or 3 hp shaper will pop up for a great deal soon! I would shy away from buying the commercial built shaper new because those shapers are built so strong a good used shaper will last forever at a much reduced cost.

Also Tom makes great points. I remember, when my neighbor first seen my shaper, he said, “boy I bet that is loud”. I turned it on and you could barely tell it was running compared to the router table noise.

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