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bluephi1914

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04-07-2016 01:18 AM

I’m in the market for a new table saw… I really don’t want to spend anymore than $1400 so in that price range The Grizzly Item# G1023RLW seems to stand out above all others in this price range.

I’ve also been considering used but the used market seems to almost cost what new ones

Ive seen used saws range from $800-$1800 and most of them say excellent condition but after looking at the pictures, most seem rusty with rusted table surfaces or very very old. Is this normal? am i expecting to much from a used say

I’m in georgia and I’ve listed a few saws that are in my area on CL. I would appreciate any insight to used saws or saws that might be a better choice in that price range or $1300.00.

$875
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$900
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$1200.00
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$1800.00 model JTAS-10X-10W
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#1 posted 04-07-2016 01:39 AM

None of those, aside from the Unisaw and maybe the white Jet because of the extras, should be over $800. I’d put the Unisaw around $1000, but a good chunk of that is just paying for the name.

I’m in the Midwest, so pricing here could easily be different than where you are, but around here you should be able to get a LOT of used saw for $1000 or less.

I got my Powermatic 72 for about $700, and it was in fantastic shape, with a 48” beis with 72” rails. It was a darn good deal. But I dont consider it an absolute steal.

On the other hand, there is no problem with rust on the table top and a tool being really old. Every one of my stationary machines is 1970s or older (my jointer is from the turn of the century) and they all run silky smooth. It took a bit of elbow grease, but most of them even look really nice.

Older industrial grade machines that are a bit rusty can be had for cheap. A razor blade, a scotchbrite pad, and some rust cleaner will clean up a table top in under an hour. Just check the tables for flatness, and make sure all the bearings spin like they should. Even then, if you’re a little handy, new bearings aren’t that hard to put in, and any needed work you can point out is just good fodder for negotiating the price.

I’ll swear by used machinery. Woodworking machines aren’t complicated. There isn’t a whole lot that can go wrong as long as they aren’t dropped or left out in the woods.

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#2 posted 04-07-2016 02:07 AM

i agree with his greatness, looks like you live by some of the relatives that post on my local craigslist. good news is when you get ready to sell your griz it will look like a deal. be patient and hit some auctions.

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#3 posted 04-07-2016 02:09 AM

I’ve seen used saws range from $800-$1800

So have I… and I’ve seen them in the $100-$500 range as well, and even some for free. You just haven’t been looking enough.

and most of them say excellent condition but after looking at the pictures, most seem rusty with rusted table surfaces or very very old. Is this normal? am i expecting to much from a used say
- bluephi1914

Older is usually better, until you get to post-WWII or so, and then it might be more work than you are willing to do to get them up to speed. Surface rust is a great negotiation point, and trivial to remove. Non working is even better, as usually it’s something stupid simple to fix and can knock a significant amount off the purchase price.

Cheers,
Brad

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#4 posted 04-07-2016 03:00 AM

Buy new so you can put your own scratches on the top. Get a good saw and a better fence. Look at Incra if you want precision, accuracy & repeatability.

M

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#5 posted 04-07-2016 03:15 AM

Atlanta CL listings are lame right now. There are bargains, but they go pretty fast.

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#6 posted 04-07-2016 03:34 AM

Check auctions as well. Govdeals.com has two saws for sale in GA. The Tannewitz is probably bigger than you want, but the PM 66 would be perfect for almost anyone. It’s rusty and missing the dust door, but for the current price, you could pay someone else to fix it all up for you and still come in under your budget. Either of those are saws that your grandkids would still be using after you’re gone.

If you have space for the Tannewitz, you definitely want that one instead. No comparison.

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#7 posted 04-07-2016 04:09 AM

Of all the table saws I’ve used in my life, I wouldn’t trade my Unisaw for any of them… I like it that much! I’ve since bought a second one.

I LOVE my Unisaws! SO, you know what one I’d pick! lol

SR

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#8 posted 04-07-2016 04:21 AM

1000 bucks for the unisaw wouldn’t be bad.
Looks like it would clean up real well and from the pic it doesn’t look wore out at all.
Plus it’s on a mobile base.
It may only be worth 800 to some, but 6 months after having it the extra 200 won’t mean anything. (if you could get it for 1000)

Even if you HAD to pay 1200 for it, compared to anything else you’ve looked at, it’s still a winner.
The saw will last you at least 20 years.

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#9 posted 04-07-2016 04:25 AM

There is a great degree of comfort knowing there is a guarantee and also knowing the saw has only been used by yourself and therefore never misused.

While I haven’t personal experiene with Grizzly, certainly the concensus among Lumberjocks is they feel excellent value. I say “go for the new Grizzly”.

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MrUnix

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#10 posted 04-07-2016 04:53 AM

One consideration regarding the Unisaw (maybe not that particular one, but in general), is that there were tons of them made over the years, and they pretty much remained unchanged from the late 30’s when they were introduced, up until 2007. That means that there is a huge pool of knowledge and sources for them, and parts are easily interchanged with just a few exceptions. That also means that there is a pretty large market for them, so they tend to be more affordable than most other cabinet saws, even the clone imports. You just have to be ready to pounce when a good deal presents itself.

Cheers,
Brad

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#11 posted 04-07-2016 09:27 AM

The DW746 is a nice hybrid, but not in the same league as the others. The blue Jet CTAS could be a buy in the $650-$700 range, the Unisaw could be a buy in the $950-$1000, but they’re both pretty rough for the asking price. The white Jet is ridiculous. If I were in your shoes I’d go with the Grizzly….it’s a nice saw and a good value.

There is an older Unisaw in your area for $750. Add something like a Delta T3 from HD for $183, sell the jetlock fence for $50-$75, and you’ve got a nice saw for ~ $850. The cons are that it needs some TLC, is right tight, and doesn’t have a blade guard or splitter. You can add a BORK for ~$100.
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/tld/5470216588.html

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#12 posted 04-07-2016 10:27 AM

Not a great pool to choose from.

1400 will take you far in the used iron market. Make searching CL a daily part of your life. In no time you will have one you can use, be very proud of and pass on down to Jr. when you are no longer throwing chips.

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#13 posted 04-07-2016 12:05 PM

I wouldn’t be scared of a used saw. There isn’t a whole lot than can go wrong with them.

I take it from the examples that you are not looking to resurrect a 50 year old saw. You have to know what you’re doing so restoration is definitely NOT a job for everyone.

If you can get a good saw for 1/3 – 1/2 retail, then I think its a good deal.

Of the ones listed, I think the older Jet and the Unisaw are the best choices. If its running, the top on the Jet can easily be cleaned up. Definitely put that fence on and check it out. If you cannot turn the saw on to run it, I would pass.

Personally, of the 4, the Unisaw would be my pick. I agree with jbay, if you could get the Unisaw for $1K, I think that’s a better deal. They don’t come up that often, so you have to take that into consideration. The Biesemeyer fence is a big plus IMO.

BTW I have a Jet Xacta (without the router table) it is a great saw. I think he’s asking too much, though. If the router table is a valuable option for you, try to get it for around $1500.

This I know: I’ve learned my lesson about paralysis analysis. Someone has got there before me and when its gone you might not see another one for months. I picked up a floor model PM mortiser barely used for $450 only because I saw the add on CL, called the guy and walked out the door in 1 minute.

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SawyerRob

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#14 posted 04-07-2016 01:14 PM

That Unisaw would already be sitting in my shop!! lol

SR

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bluephi1914

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#15 posted 04-07-2016 01:20 PM


I wouldn t be scared of a used saw. There isn t a whole lot than can go wrong with them.

I take it from the examples that you are not looking to resurrect a 50 year old saw. You have to know what you re doing so restoration is definitely NOT a job for everyone.

If you can get a good saw for 1/3 – 1/2 retail, then I think its a good deal.

Of the ones listed, I think the older Jet and the Unisaw are the best choices. If its running, the top on the Jet can easily be cleaned up. Definitely put that fence on and check it out. If you cannot turn the saw on to run it, I would pass.

Personally, of the 4, the Unisaw would be my pick. I agree with jbay, if you could get the Unisaw for $1K, I think that s a better deal. They don t come up that often, so you have to take that into consideration. The Biesemeyer fence is a big plus IMO.

BTW I have a Jet Xacta (without the router table) it is a great saw. I think he s asking too much, though. If the router table is a valuable option for you, try to get it for around $1500.

This I know: I ve learned my lesson about paralysis analysis. Someone has got there before me and when its gone you might not see another one for months. I picked up a floor model PM mortiser barely used for $450 only because I saw the add on CL, called the guy and walked out the door in 1 minute.

- rwe2156

YOU ARE CORRECT, I DO NOT want to resurrect a 50 year old saw or have to do a bunch of cleaning, replacing of parts (motor doors, dust covers, etc). I don’t mind cleaning the table surface…. but that’s about it. I prefer not to have to buy blade covers and riving knives… but that isn’t a big deal. I missed a great deal on a Grizzly 0690 for $700… I’m still kicking myself… it was in new condition, SMH I’m going to look into the Unisaw and Jet and see if they can negotiate…I agree.. if i cant get it for 1/2 or 1/3rd of retail i think id be better off getting it new.

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