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anthonyGghattas

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04-06-2016 02:06 PM

Topic tags/keywords: cnc carving

Hello all
Hope your having a great day
I am new to the cnc machines and i am looking to purchase one for my workshop i would like to ask if a milling machine example : (HOLZ HER Nesting CNC Router DYNESTIC 7521) can also make 3d carving ?
and horizontal door engraving (for locks doors …) ?
Hope you can help me with that i am totally confused thank you in advance


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#1 posted 04-08-2016 05:27 AM

There are a lot of things to consider when you “want” a CNC.
Cost, space requirements, power requirements, dust colkection, and customer support are some of the considerations.

An entry level, table top CNC that is has many capabilities and is fairly inexpensive is the Stepcraft CNC.

There are many different sizes and “head” options: spindle, drag knife, print head, and laser head!
These machines are from Germany and are available assembled or kit form.

I own a Shoobot Buddy so I am not in marketing for Stepcraft!

The CNCZone is another place to get more information on the broad range of CNCs available as there are many other CNCs available from desktop to multiple sheet size, so continue your research and choose wisely.

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"

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#2 posted 04-08-2016 05:33 AM

Thank you for your reply
I am a carpenter and i am looking to get a cnc for my workshop for doors ,cabinet …..
i am looking for a big cnc ( industrial )

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#3 posted 04-20-2016 05:05 PM

Check out Freedom Machine Tool. We create industrial strength 3 Axis CNC routers in Colorado Springs. www.freedomcnc.com

Good luck!

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#4 posted 04-21-2016 05:49 AM

Here are some others you can check out:
  • Shopbot, many sizes and costs available, good support
  • CamMaster, good reputation, many sizes/cost, good support
    and so many many more, the list is very long and can be confusing.

As I stated before, go to the CNCZone and see what like pros use!
Just watch out for some of the made in China machines as support/parts will be tough if any at all.

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"

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#5 posted 04-24-2016 06:18 PM

Whatever you do, do not go with BOSS CNC out of Texas
Here is my story..
BOSS ROUTERS INFO

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#6 posted 04-24-2016 09:39 PM

Hey Anthony. oldnovice has some good advice. I recently purchased an Axiom 8 and it seems to get along ok with me.

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#7 posted 04-26-2016 01:22 AM

Sorry, guys, but the Holz-Her machine is in a far different class than any of these other machines mentioned here.

Camasters and ShopBots aren’t half the machine the Holz-Her is. This is the truly “industrial” realm of CNC routers, in the $100K range.

Anthony. I’m not familiar with that particular machine, but I’ve been using similar machines for almost 20 years now.

I am new to the cnc machines and i am looking to purchase one for my workshop i would like to ask if a milling machine example : (HOLZ HER Nesting CNC Router DYNESTIC 7521) can also make 3d carving ?

The simple answer is yes. But it’s not that simple. When you buy a machine that’s designed for nested panel cutting, it won’t be the best machine for 3D carving.
I use a Morbidelli at my day job. It can cut panels about 15x faster than my small homebuilt router, but my homebuilt router can do 3D carvings almost as fast, and it can handle larger files.


and horizontal door engraving (for locks doors …) ?

Again, a nested machine is not ideal for this kind of work. Nested machines use vacuum tables to hold sheets down, but for door operations, you typically need clamps or vacuum pods. You also need to use a 90° aggregate head on the spindle.
It’s possible that the machine can do it, but changing from one operation to another may be very time consuming.

My recommendation to you, would be to talk to salesman from several different manufacturers, and tell them exactly what you want to do. I would spend at least 6-12 months doing a lot of research. Otherwise, you could make a very costly mistake.

If you need a machine like the Holz-Her for panel processing, but also want/need to do 3D carving, then I would recommend a small second machine like a Camaster Stinger for the carving work. 3D carvings can take several hours to complete, and you don’t want your $100,000 machine tied up all day on a single carving, when it could be cutting 75 sheets of cabinet parts in the same time.

-- Gerry, http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/index.html http://www.jointcam.com

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#8 posted 04-26-2016 02:15 AM

hello guys that your for your great support and help

i changed my mined about my workshop upgrade (still studding my project)
i got a deal at holzher where i get a beam saw , edge bender and a pod and rail cnc ( all new 2015 )
but i cant find any one with holzher experience that can guide me

i will can add to my carpentry melamine board cutting and edge bending services and my cnc is for my door production i got a deal for a holzher 7018 pro master

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#9 posted 04-26-2016 02:32 AM

I used an older Holz-Her pod and rail machine for 10 years at a previous job, with a Schelling Beam Saw.
And several Holz-Her edgebanders over the years. They have always been good machines with very good support.

When you buy machines like this, be aware that the proper software is just as important as the machines. buying cheap software wil not allow you to get the most out of your machine.

-- Gerry, http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/index.html http://www.jointcam.com

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#10 posted 04-26-2016 03:18 AM

thank you for the information
if i go with holzher i will get their CAMPUS software for my cnc

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#11 posted 04-26-2016 04:50 PM

I agree with Gerry, if all you want is a panel machine for cabinet making the Holz-Her looks like the one you should get. I looked at the capabilities of this machine and it is indeed impressive for high throughput panel machining but I would be concerned by being captive with their software to get all the benefits of their system.

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"

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#12 posted 04-26-2016 05:24 PM

I like the looks of the Camaster CNC machines. At the last two machinery shows in Atlanta (IWF) I looked at CNC routers and I kept going back to the CAMaster machines. As it turns out I didn’t know that they manufactured these machines in my hometown (Cartersville, GA) until about 6 months after I first saw them in Atlanta. Of course that makes me a little biased because of freight and support. However, I can honestly say that they seem to be well built and designed and the people seem to be first class. The prices seem to be very competitive also. I don’t have one yet and may never get one. However, I am still interested and will be going to the IWF this August. If I get one it will be a small machine and they have several models that would fit the bill. Anyways, if you live anywhere near Atlanta you would be able to see what a number of machinery manufacturers have to offer in the way of CNC. Atlanta IWF is a big show. Good luck.

helluvawreck aka Charles
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-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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#13 posted 04-26-2016 09:03 PM

Charles, even though I own a Shopbot I can totally agree with you on the Camaster CNC as they are well built American made machines.

The Holz-Her system of, panel saws, panel machining, and edge banding are totally aimed at cabinet making!
The Holz-Her is German made and undoubtedly well made mechanically, electronically, and software. Similar to the data base software from SAP, well crafted and well supported.

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"

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Ger21

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#14 posted 04-27-2016 12:26 AM



I agree with Gerry, if all you want is a panel machine for cabinet making the Holz-Her looks like the one you should get. I looked at the capabilities of this machine and it is indeed impressive for high throughput panel machining but I would be concerned by being captive with their software to get all the benefits of their system.

- oldnovice

From my experience, 3rd party software is often much more flexible and powerful than manufacturer’s software bundled with machines. But they can often run upwards of $5K-$10K

-- Gerry, http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/index.html http://www.jointcam.com

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#15 posted 04-27-2016 05:43 AM

Thank you for your great advice

Sorry this might seem out of subject

i would like to ask if any one can tell me how to calculate how many melamine board can a pressure beam saw cut in an hour knowing that i am looking at “HOLZ-HER TECTRA 6120 classic” :
Saw Blade Protrusion up to 82 mm
Sawing Unit: up to 11 kW

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