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Forum topic by drcodfish posted 04-04-2016 07:51 PM 684 views 0 times favorited 10 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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04-04-2016 07:51 PM

I bought a box of planes last year. Seemed like a good deal because there were a couple candidates which I thought would suit a need I had (flattening a workbench top) .

In the bunch were #7 and #8 Baileys, the #7 is a flat bottom and the #8 is corrugated. They both sharpened up well and are terrific pieces of equipment. Of course both had broken totes . I bought a replacement tote (beech) and put it on the #7 and it did an extraordinary job on the bench top. I had so much fun that I cold easily have planed that maple bench top down to a /4” thick board but, .... I restrained myself.

My questions on these two planes are:

1. I only need one, which one should I keep and which should I sell?

2. Would I be better off selling the other ‘AS IS” or should I do a restoration? Not a complete down to bare metal restoration but cleaning up all the bare metal (electrolysis) refinishing the Japanning with black engine paint and replacing the broken tote with a new rosewood tote (I can get this for about $25.00) Here they are:

My last question is about the smaller plane on the left, it is a Trustworthy and it was the gem of the bunch. I have done nothing to clean it up (yet) just did a good sharpening and it has been the best performing piece in the box. I don’t know anything about this plane and can’t find much reference material on it. If you are familiar with these at all I’d be happy to learn more.


-- Dr C

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#1 posted 04-04-2016 08:05 PM

Trustworthy was Sold by Salt lake Hardware Co. and Made by Sargent c.1950.

As to your restoration question, you’re going to get more for a fully restored and tuned plane, so only you can decide if its worth your time to get the extra money. Personally i’d keep them both and put a slight camber on one for those times you want a jointer with a slight camber, simply because there is no such thing as to many planes.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. -

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#2 posted 04-04-2016 08:06 PM

I’ve seen a couple of folks mention that Trustworthy planes were made by Sargent, and are good quality tools. Looks like a #5.

As far as your #7 and #8, I’d keep the #7 you already cleaned up and sell the #8. The #8’s are a bit less plentiful, so you’d probably get a better return on investment. I’d clean it up like you said, but would NOT waste the money for the beech tote. A lot of buyers are going to want to either use an old tote they have, or make a new one themselves, so I don’t think that particular investment would pay off for you.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#3 posted 04-04-2016 08:07 PM

Q: Which one should I keep and which should I sell?

A: Keep the #8 because, well, because it’s a #8! It’s the biggest and best cast iron jointer Stanley ever produced… it is the plane the #7 wants to be when it grows up! And because it simply reeks of cast iron heft and hubris.

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --

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#4 posted 04-04-2016 08:19 PM

Whichever one you decide to sell, I may be interested if you’re selling as-is, busted tote and all. I’ve been watching for quite a while for a decent deal on a jointer that I can restore and fettle myself. So whenever you decide what you’re going to do, feel free to shoot me a PM. I might be able to save you a sellers fee ;)

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#5 posted 04-04-2016 08:28 PM

Get the 8 useable (fix the tote just for use) and use it, then decide if you keep both or sell one. We cant make that decision for you. Some like all the heft they can find, some dont – purely user preference. I prefer a 7 because an 8 just feels too big, especially for jointing, and it has the same blade as my 4-1/2’s. Simpler for keeping sharp blades in inventory.

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#6 posted 04-04-2016 08:30 PM

I have 5 no 7’s and only one no 8, so I’d recommend you give the no 8 to me!

Seriously, the no 8 might go for a bit more, but not a big difference. Selling prices around $100 +/- are pretty normal on ebay. (less if condition is poor, more if it is good). You would have to post a lot more pictures in order for us to see the details.

I can see that the no 8 seems to have a low knob (good) and a hole drilled in the heel (bad), but it would be very helpful to see the area ‘tween the frog and the tote. There might be some patent dates there that would help to identify the “type” of the plane. Also need closeup photos of any rust damage or pitting etc.


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#7 posted 04-04-2016 10:47 PM

I disassembled the #8 and took a few pics. You can find them here on my flickr page. Any more information on this old plane would be greatly appreciated. I am leaning toward letting this thing go, sheesh, I forgot what a beast it is, sort of like a locomotive, once you get it rolling down the board it’s own weight does 50% of the work.

A couple more questions:

1. Does the fact that this plane has a corrugated sole (could he the name of a hit blues tune) have an effect on it’s value? This is the second corrugated plane I have had, does not seem to have any effect on performance.

2. Have any of you reconditioned a plane using asphaltum? I have thought about doing that with a plane just to see how it goes. But I’ll have to wait till the wife is away if I am going to bake it in the oven.

Thanks a lot to all of you for the good information you have shared with me so far. You can learn a lot reading info on the inter-web, but it is extra valuable to actually get feedback from real time wood workers.

-- Dr C

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#8 posted 04-05-2016 04:36 AM

Here’s why I think you should keep the No 8—

1. they’re harder to find then No 7s

2. You’ve already used it once to flatten your bench top; next time you need to do that task (because of wood movement or wear or for whatever reason) you’ll be glad you kept the No 8

3. the No 8 can do anything you’d do with the No 7, but as in the case of your benchtop, the 8 can span greater distances for flattening purposes and can do things the No 7 can’t do as well

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#9 posted 04-05-2016 12:27 PM

That looks like a type 10. This is the first Bailey plane with the frog adjust screw. The hole in the heel has no functional impact, but collectors supposedly don’t like it. As is, it should go for at least 80 on eBay, and possibly 100+. It was made between 1906 and 1910. (from memory)

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#10 posted 04-18-2016 04:50 PM

My opinion is 8’s are to say you have one. I use my 8 very seldomly but I wouldn’t sell it because I agree with Timetestedtools it never hurts to have another plane. If you clean it up thoroughly tune it and hone the iron you will get a ton more for it but it is a ton of work how much is your time worth and do you have the proper stuff to do a good job? The sargent make would make a good user if you tune it up as far as selling it its really not worth a lot so it would be better to hold onto it and make it a good plane for your use. Good luck. Nice finds!

-- its better to plan on the task at hand than actually doing it........ You look smarter.

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