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Forum topic by jkdavies posted 04-01-2016 03:23 AM 924 views 0 times favorited 11 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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jkdavies

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04-01-2016 03:23 AM

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Hey guys,

I’m completely new to hand planes, but the other day as I was looking for something else on our farm, I came across three old planes stuffed in a cubby hole that I’ve never seen before. After a little research, I’ve identified one of them as a Bluegrass Belknap 107-16 having the number 4 cast directly beneath that number, a good ole Stanley No. 4 type 19, and a third plane that is a No. 4 1/2 from the casting on the toe, but the only other casting on it is what looks like an “I S” cast vertically on the bed underneath the tote. I wouldn’t even have seen it if I hadn’t taken the handle off to clean it up. Some of the things on the frog put me in mind of the Stanley No. 4, but it’s design is a bit different. I am just curious if there is anyone out there who has seen a thing or two who would point me in the right direction to figuring out what I’ve got.

Thanks!


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#1 posted 04-01-2016 05:13 AM

It would sure help if we could see an image or two.

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#2 posted 04-01-2016 08:22 PM

Here are a few pictures. They aren’t the greatest. In the first two pics the plane is still dirty, and the others are of the castings on the bed after soaking a bit in vinegar.

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#3 posted 04-03-2016 04:52 PM

I’ve posted a little info and some links here, http://www.timetestedtools.net/2016/01/26/brands-other-than-stanley/

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#4 posted 04-03-2016 05:03 PM

Thanks for the info Don. Here are a few more pics of the 4 1/2. I found a few more “S” and “B” castings on various pieces, which makes me think some type of Stanley, but I don’t know.

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#5 posted 04-11-2016 02:56 AM

i have a No. 6 with the same markings, it has a sweet heart iron, but no patent #s or brand name on the bed.

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#6 posted 04-11-2016 05:13 AM

That looks earlier then the SW logo Stanley’s. What does the logo on iron show? Can I see picture of that and lever adjuster? Maybe it’s a type 7

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#7 posted 04-11-2016 05:41 PM

There doesn’t appear to be a logo on the iron, and I thought it may have been a type without a lever adjuster, but on further inspection I think it may just be missing. Plus, it looks like you would have to go way back to have a plane from before Stanley started putting lever adjusters on. You can see in the picture there is a pin where it appears it was attached, although the setup looks a little different than it does on the no. 4.

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#8 posted 04-11-2016 09:57 PM

Your plane is definitely a mix of type 7 and 8 parts. I could very well have come from Stanley that way around 1900, or someone could have changed some parts. You’ll never know.

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#9 posted 04-11-2016 10:29 PM

I appreciate the help! I know it’s not anything to write home about, but it’s pretty neat to find something that old that was likely used by family and clean it up a bit. I’ll be on the lookout for a lateral adjustment lever to see if I can replace it. I had no idea it was that old because as far as I can tell the no. 4 I found with it is from the 50s. Dad also has a couple of antique wooden bedded planes sitting in a cabinet that likely had the same owner. One is long enough to be a jointer, but I haven’t looked for any markings. I just know the irons just wedge in the throat. Might be worth a little more investigation.

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#10 posted 04-11-2016 10:42 PM

A lateral should be easy to find. You want to be careful, the history of these can become pretty addicting pretty fast.

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#11 posted 04-18-2016 04:40 PM

Clean out the depth adjuster Knurl inside see if it says anything. A lot of what I’m seeing screams Union but some if it doesn’t. Could be an all original frankenplane! I’d clean it up tune it and put it to work!

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