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03-30-2016 08:13 PM

I have an old Ryobi table saw that cost me $100 many years back (BTS10 I think) and I’ve reached the point that I just can’t stand it any longer. I’m trying to cut strips to make some more cutting boards and even after making sure the blade is square (it is) I the rip fence moves just enough that I’m off by 1/32 at the end of an 18” cut plus the cut isn’t smooth like it should be. Maybe it’s my technique but the saw blade position and throat design is bad…it’s very far back on the saw and the plate is a 1/8” piece of steel so making a good replacement is near impossible.

I’m looking at a DeWalt 745…it’s $300 (Amazon) and rates extremely well. I don’t need to cut Dado’s on it just standard table saw stuff. As for a stand I can make one or just use the Ryobi stand.

Any opinions would be nice. I’ve looked at larger saws and they’re a bit pricey. Craigslist has garbage/overpriced equipment…people want $500 for a saw that’s been outside for the last 5 years and is covered in rust.


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knotscott

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#1 posted 03-30-2016 08:41 PM

If you don’t NEED portability, IMO you’d be better off skipping the whole portable saw family in favor of a full size belt drive saw with an induction motor….there are so many advantages, and a ton more potential to upgrade quite a bit with it, when you can or find a need. That’d up your cost unless a decent deal pops up on CL, but keep your eyes peeled.

Here’s a gem for $100:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/tls/5507092518.html

This one would need some TLC, but should clean up well:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/tls/5508430450.html

Nice saw…offer $275-$300:
http://sacramento.craigslist.org/tls/5511110170.html

Granite top, cabinet mounted trunnions:
http://sacramento.craigslist.org/for/5498807656.html

Delta w/Unifence…offer up to $350:
http://sacramento.craigslist.org/for/5498807656.html

Needs some TLC but looks to be a Griz G1023…big Jet Xacta fence…worth a look if you have 220:
http://goldcountry.craigslist.org/tls/5510737315.html

Another that could be worth a look, and should clean up fine:
http://stockton.craigslist.org/tls/5514198506.html

Griz G1022Z:
http://goldcountry.craigslist.org/hvo/5450919581.html

Nice deal – $100 with better fence:
http://sacramento.craigslist.org/tls/5500029681.html

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Robert Brown

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#2 posted 03-30-2016 08:55 PM

If you need a portable table saw, a web site titled “Best Table Saws – Updated March 2016” says the DeWalt 745 you are looking at is the “Best Bang for Your Buck”.

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#3 posted 03-30-2016 08:55 PM

I’m looking at this size for cost/space reasons. As much as I’d like a bigger saw they tend to run 2x as much. On the rare occasion I’ve needed to break down sheet goods I’ve used a straight piece of wood and a cut off saw; that was how I built my cabinets.

I have looked on Craigslist and there’s a lot of 10” Craftsman saws out there that look an awful lot like the Ryobi I currently have. Anything that’s more pro sized tends to be either VERY expensive, left out in the yard, or so cheap that there has to be something wrong with it.

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MrUnix

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#4 posted 03-30-2016 08:56 PM

Craigslist has garbage/overpriced equipment…people want $500 for a saw that s been outside for the last 5 years and is covered in rust.
- Tom

I love rust – trivial to get rid of and a great negotiation point to lower the price on :)

I also love the ones that don’t run either – usually it’s just a loose wire or something else stupid simple to fix.

A quick scan of the SF Bay area CL seems to have quite a few saws well under $500 – several C-man contractor saws for $150 or less, a couple Delta contractor saws for around $100, and I don’t know if you need one or not, but there is a Delta combo unit (jointer/saw) for $249. There are also some upper end cabinet saws as well as a few hybrids as well. Oh, none look like they have sat outside for the last 5 years either :)

As Scott shows, you are in a great area for used machines. As for ‘has to be something wrong with it’, usually it’s not being used and the only thing wrong is it’s taking up space in the garage that they would like to get back.

Cheers,
Brad

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#5 posted 03-30-2016 09:02 PM

I’m closer to the south bay so anything in Sac isn’t worth the drive. The $100 one in Vallejo I saw and I’ve emailed the seller to see if it’s available. It’s a drive…but might be worth it. My plan with taking 3 days off of work this week was to have time to do some woodwork…not shop for a new saw but that’s the breaks.

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01ntrain

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#6 posted 03-30-2016 09:31 PM

That first Craftsman saw listed at $100 is a steal, IMO. Years ago I had the same saw with a Biesemeyer fence. That saw would take anything that I threw at it.

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Rentvent

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#7 posted 03-31-2016 03:39 AM

I have a DW745 and it’s probably the best jobsite saw ever. the Rack an pinion fence separates it from any other jobsite saw.

on the other hand, some of the jobsite “qualities” are starting to be annoying.

it’s loud
the blade is only 3 inches from the front of the table
the 3 inch blade distance plus the short fence leaves lots of wiggle room when trying to rip or crosscut anything
I built a crosscut sled, but had to buy a HF roller to support it on the infeed side. The table is too small to use most any sled.
no dado blades. period.
you can buy a zero clearance insert, but you can’t use the riving knife with it. the table is too small.
If you hack the ZCI so that the riving knife will work, it isn’t really stable any more
You can’t use thin kerf blades with a riving knife because there is no alternate riving knives available

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Tom

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#8 posted 03-31-2016 05:03 AM

Thanks for the info. I may just have to bite the bullet until I find a good deal on CL for a bigger saw and just make room in the garage for it. One of the issues with my current one is the lack of room in front of/behind the blade, not dado compatible (but you can get about 3/8” stack on) and the crappy fence.

My issue with used is that I really don’t know how to fix one up and want something that I can just get using and not have to learn how to clean off rust/fix belts/etc.

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#9 posted 03-31-2016 08:48 AM

The dewalt DW745 is a FANTASTIC saw for what I use it for!

It absolutely WILL take a “partial dado”. It wont take a full width dado true.

Also I DO use a sled with it all the time. A small sled! And without infeed support, but like I said its a small sled.

The real question here is are you going to want to go further later?

Even cutting up a quarter sheet of any sheet good will be a royal pain with the DW745.
Will you want jigs that slide along the fence? Gotta remove that pushstick holder clip and the flip over thing and then you will STILL need a substitute box fence over the fence because the lockdowns on each end of the existing fence are wider on one side that the other.

Wanna be able to rip through 8/4 and larger material a lot?
I wouldn’t trust the “screamer” motor to last doing much of that.

Just wanna make some chess boards etc.? small projects/boxes?
The Dw745 will do that stuff all day no sweat.

Its a great SMALL saw for SMALL work. If you are ever going to want to do the larger work on a half way regular basis the it is not the right saw!

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rwe2156

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#10 posted 03-31-2016 12:04 PM

First off, trust me, you’ll want to do dados. ;-) but its not a deal breaker.

Don’t poo poo those old iron $500 rust jobs because like Brad said, when restored they are far better saws than anything you’ll find for $300.

You’re not going to get much of a saw on a $300 budget, but you can get a usuable saw with limitations. Definitely stay away from jobsite or compact saws.

Reality is, you need at least an $800 budget for a decent saw. If that’s not doable, then you’ll have to settle for a consumer saw (what they sometimes call “contractor saws”). Just bear in mind you’ll be stuck with a limited saw with low power, but you can still make a go of it.

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#11 posted 04-01-2016 01:34 AM

I have an old solid cast iron saw that I’m looking to sell. It makes vertical cuts only in the current configuration. I have already replaced the arbor bearings, and cleaned and greased all the works. The top is flat within .004”. PM me if you have any interest. It’ll be less than the ones you are seeing around, I’m thinking. I’m in Simi Valley, so not too much of a drive. I switched up to a SawStop, so I’m looking to get some floor space. I also already cleaned all the rust off, years ago. The brand name is “Spee-De-Cut”.

Note- I switched up to this saw from a Ryobi, pretty much like yours. This is a ton better.

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BenjaminNY

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#12 posted 04-01-2016 01:57 AM

I use a dewalt 745 to build my furniture projects and after spending a lot of time with a dial gauge you can get it working pretty well.

If your main focus is furniture building then I would hold off and save for another saw. The short table space in front of the blade makes cross cutting casework a nightmare and adjusting the trunions is not fun either.

I’m saving up for a big sawstop which is why I haven’t replace my 745. So again, I would hold off, it’s not a bad saw but you’re going to quickly discover it has severe limitations.

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Tom

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#13 posted 04-01-2016 03:48 AM

Thanks, but Simi Valley is about a 6 hour drive from where I’m at.


I have an old solid cast iron saw that I m looking to sell. It makes vertical cuts only in the current configuration. I have already replaced the arbor bearings, and cleaned and greased all the works. The top is flat within .004”. PM me if you have any interest. It ll be less than the ones you are seeing around, I m thinking. I m in Simi Valley, so not too much of a drive. I switched up to a SawStop, so I m looking to get some floor space. I also already cleaned all the rust off, years ago. The brand name is “Spee-De-Cut”.

Note- I switched up to this saw from a Ryobi, pretty much like yours. This is a ton better.

- Dark_Lightning


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htl

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#14 posted 04-01-2016 04:28 AM

I love the saw and have been using it continually since I got it, but!!!
3 months after I got it I wish I would have paid the extra to be able to use the dado blades.
I never thought I would need it but my wood working has changed and the ability to cut dados would be nice, I’m making do but for just what $65 more I would be happier.
Don’t get me wrong love the saw for making my models and such, the fence is great and cuts any thing I throw at it.

-- There's a hundred ways to do anything, alot depends on the tools at hand.

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#15 posted 04-01-2016 05:00 AM

@rwe2156 writes: “You’re not going to get much of a saw on a $300 budget, but you can get a usuable saw with limitations. Definitely stay away from jobsite or compact saws.”

You can find gems on a $300 “Craigslist” budget, but you may need to be patient.

I’m a DIY-er and newbie woodworker who started with a Ryobi RTS21 jobsite saw. It did a few home carpentry projects just fine, but the fence (and other things) bugged me from the start. When I decided I needed something with precision and stability, I set my eyes on a Ridgid R4512 or its Craftsman equivalent but couldn’t justify the $500+ new price. I created a precise CL email alert combining several specific saw models and fence names, and after a few months it flagged a Craftsman 22124 “zipcode” hybrid with the C-man labeled Biese commercial fence, mobile base, and several extras for… $225. I jumped on it within the hour, drove an hour each way to pick it up, and could not be more pleased. A saw to grow into…

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