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Forum topic by derrick3636 posted 03-29-2016 02:10 AM 1547 views 0 times favorited 36 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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derrick3636

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03-29-2016 02:10 AM

Hello,

I’ve decided to expand my tool inventory a bit, and next on my list is a planer and jointer. I’ve reading reviews on here and looking at looking at ads on craigslist and other sites. I came across a free Dayton 8 inch jointer. I was looking for a 6 inch jointer at the time, but this one caught my attention. It a model number 5z043. Looks like it was sold by Grainger at some point.

I went and checked it out today. The owner and I have been trading emails. There is no motor in it. That’s not a big deal. He also says the cutter head shaft is s “screwed up”. It spins freely, but he says when it’s hooked to a motor, that there is a lot of wobble to it. Are the shaft and the cutter head separate from each other? It looked like they all one unit. If I had to replace an entire cutter head, I’m not sure that would be a project I’m willing to tackle. If I could just replace a shaft and some bearings, I might be more inclined to looking into it further. It seems like prices go way up for parts when you go from 6 to 8 inch.

If I miss out on it, I won’t be too upset.

Here is the model if that helps. http://www.drillspot.com/products/84101/Dayton_5Z043_Jointer

Thank you

Derrick


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01ntrain

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#1 posted 03-29-2016 02:19 AM

If he’s selling it for a few hundred dollars, then I would say go for it. You could probably find a motor for less than $200.

Anything more and I would pass. Sounds like it’s more trouble than it’s worth. Plus, it’s discontinued from Dayton…..could be a hassle to get parts for, if something is truly wrong.

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#2 posted 03-29-2016 02:20 AM

I dont know how knowledgeable you and the seller is, the cutter head should spin freely with no belt on it, wobble, what is wobble, the bearings would have to be very bad to wobble. How old is it?, Hobbyist or shop? I have a Shop Smith jointer from 1954 with the original bearings in it. Why does he thinks it wobbles? Blades may not be set right. Wobble belt alignment? Loose pulley? You got to look that all over. Find out what is wobble, good deal if it just needs a motor. Motor will be about 200 new depending on HP
Wobble, maybe one of the 2 bearing blocks on the spindle is loose, that would cause wobble one on each side, 2 bolts to hold each side.

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derrick3636

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#3 posted 03-29-2016 02:27 AM

It is free.

Here’s what he wrote in the last email.
THE cutter head shaft is bad and the cutter head shakes and rattles when its hooked up to the motor when the motor is running.

That’s all I have so far. I could not duplicate the problem spinning it by hand.

I’m just not knowledgeable enough about these. Sorry if these are dumb questions.

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#4 posted 03-29-2016 03:28 AM

There is no such thing as a “free tool” of any kind. They all take maintenance, parts & pieces. Most likely a bent shaft, if not that, then bearings are shot, or knives out of alignment. Were it me, I’d by pass this one. Spend some time doing more research & learning about what makes those machines tick. Then you have insight when the next “deal” comes along. Just my .02.

-- Sawdust703

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derrick3636

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#5 posted 03-29-2016 04:20 AM



There is no such thing as a “free tool” of any kind. They all take maintenance, parts & pieces. Most likely a bent shaft, if not that, then bearings are shot, or knives out of alignment. Were it me, I d by pass this one. Spend some time doing more research & learning about what makes those machines tick. Then you have insight when the next “deal” comes along. Just my .02.

- sawdust703

I get what you’re saying about not being free. Right off the bat it’ll need a motor. A bent shaft doesn’t seem too bad. I can source shafting material without issue. My thought is, yes I do need learn the inner workings of these things, but what better way to learn, than on unit I can pick up for free? I already know I’m going to have to tear it down just to clean things up. There’s no hurry on any of this. I’m leaning towards grabbing it. If it happens to be gone when I get there, I’ll just continue the hunt.

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#6 posted 03-29-2016 04:25 AM

Price is right… I’d be all over it. Most problems are easy to fix, and that one probably just needs new bearings.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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#7 posted 03-29-2016 04:26 AM

Didn’t know it was possible to mess up a cutterhead enough to wobble. I’d take that jointer and throw some new bearings in and find a motor to test it with. If it doesn’t work and you can’t get cheap parts? You’re out 30-40$ at the most. And if the it does then you suck.

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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derrick3636

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#8 posted 03-29-2016 04:44 AM

They don’t seem like overly complicated pieces of equipment, but I’ve been guilty of under thinking things in the past.

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#9 posted 03-29-2016 05:14 AM

I cant believe the shaft or bearings are bad, what would bend the cutter head shaft??? I bet the cutter head bearing mounts are loose on one side or both. I have rebuilt a 6”’ and there is the motor, belt to the cutter head pulley, the cutter head with the bearings on each end that sit in a yoke that has 2 bolts from the bottom to hold them in place on the inboard and outboard side. The2 tables on gibs that are attached to the center piece that the cutter head is in. Thats it.
Go for it, and with the expertise here and pics we will geter done.

-- Knowledge and experience equals Wisdom, Michael Frankowski

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derrick3636

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#10 posted 03-29-2016 05:47 AM

Well we’ll see what happens. If it is still there, I’ll grab it. If not, it wasn’t meant to be. There are a handful of 6 inches in the area for sale that are more ready to go. This just seemed like a decent opportunity.

If/when I get it, I’ll definitely have more questions.

Thanks to everyone who chimed in.

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bigJohninvegas

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#11 posted 03-29-2016 07:45 PM

Its a nice looking 8” jointer for free. Take it and run before he changes his mind. Jointers are pretty straight forward tools. Not much to go wrong. Make sure the tables are flat, and go to work on replacing that cutter head 1st. It looks alot like an old powermatic cabinet. Most likely from the same Chinese factory. If thats true, then there should be plenty of options for the cutter head. Like you said the motor replacement is easy.
If you can figure out what its a clone of, you can most.likely upgrade to one of those helical cutters and a larger motor if you wanted too. And for free, if no parts can be found. Scrap it.
Good luck.

-- John

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#12 posted 03-29-2016 07:58 PM

You asked for opinions. Here’s mine. Get an 8’’ jointer as a minimum.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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derrick3636

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#13 posted 03-30-2016 01:18 AM


Its a nice looking 8” jointer for free. Take it and run before he changes his mind. Jointers are pretty straight forward tools. Not much to go wrong. Make sure the tables are flat, and go to work on replacing that cutter head 1st. It looks alot like an old powermatic cabinet. Most likely from the same Chinese factory. If thats true, then there should be plenty of options for the cutter head. Like you said the motor replacement is easy.
If you can figure out what its a clone of, you can most.likely upgrade to one of those helical cutters and a larger motor if you wanted too. And for free, if no parts can be found. Scrap it.
Good luck.

- bigJohninvegas


You asked for opinions. Here s mine. Get an 8 jointer as a minimum.

- AlaskaGuy

I picked it up this morning. It looks very similar to a Jet JJ8CS http://www.maxtool.com/jet-jj-8cs-8-2hp-1ph-230v-closed-stand-jointer-708458k?google=1&CAWELAID=230005740000021010&CAGPSPN=pla&gclid=CJLc-LDZ5csCFZSGfgodTUMFmA. I’m actually wondering if any of the parts interchange. Grainger didn’t have much for info, but they did send me a full parts breakdown. We’ll see how things go. Everything looks pretty generic, so I don’t think I’ll have trouble finding parts.

And as far as 8 inches being the minimum. I’m sure a 6 would do me just fine, but I’ve seen similar comments as yours. I figured this would be my only shot for a LONG time to get one bigger than 6, so hopefully everything works out.

Thanks again for everyone’s input.

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derrick3636

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#14 posted 03-30-2016 12:23 PM

Ok,
Here is another question. Here is one of his last emails “Derrick

Just so you know how to address the jointer repair. The cutter spins okay as you saw when you spun it. The shaft has some wear and the pulley wouldn’t stay on tight so it rattled when running. You need to pull the cutter out and see if
you can get it ground or fixed so you can keep the pulley from moving. I think it will be hard because you can grind out metal on a lathe but not add. A few years ago I got an extra cutter head for a few bucks on ebay. The seller said it was for an 8 inch jointer. Fit the jointer you took just fine…but the bearings were bad so I junked it. Good luck.”

My question is, if adding metal to the cutterhead to bring it back to its original OD isn’t an option, why couldn’t I find a pulley with a smaller ID and have it machined out to properly fit? It would take some hunting on my part, but it might save a little $$$ up front and get me going quicker.

Does that make sense?

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dhazelton

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#15 posted 03-30-2016 01:15 PM

If it’s just a matter of adding metal to the END of the shaft you could probably do it with a mig welder being careful not to get things so hot they warp, then start going at it with a file to get it back to round. Is there a key way on that shaft or is it just flat and takes a set screw? You could always get a pulley with a larger diameter center hole and tack weld a sleeve over the original shaft where the pulley slides on. If you can’t find a replacement part you’ll just need to be creative.

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