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Forum topic by ScottinVa posted 03-24-2016 05:52 PM 922 views 0 times favorited 23 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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ScottinVa

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03-24-2016 05:52 PM

I have Delta 33-??? USA made with Biesemeyer fence and side extension. Of course I promptly removed the guard and such so I could use it. While I would like a SawStop for the safety system, it’s not in the budget right now, so I thought I would upgrade to a newer saw with riving knife for safety.

Is this (besides the safety factor) a significant downgrade in saw quality? I have found the Delta pretty good generally except for dust collection. Based on what I see on Craigslist, Ridgid is where I can find a saw in my budget with riving knife.

Thanks for you thoughts.


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Mark Shymanski

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#1 posted 03-24-2016 07:28 PM

...so you removed the guard and such to use the saw and now want to buy a different saw with different safety features which could also be removed ‘so you could use it’....are you any further ahead? Why not just stay with the saw you have and just say you removed the riving knife so it was more useable?

Just pulling your leg here, I would stay with the Delta, unless you need a second saw.

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#2 posted 03-24-2016 07:38 PM

you can source an aftermarket riving knife and stay with the Delta.

I will be upgrading myself within a year or so from a Delta contractor to a General cabinet saw or used unisaw, but my reason for upgrading is increased ripping capacity and more horsepower, a riving knife will just be a nice addition. If it was simply a question of riving knife I would get a Microjig splitter kit or one of these: http://www.thesharkguard.com/sharksplitter.php

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ScottinVa

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#3 posted 03-24-2016 07:39 PM

Why stay with the Delta?

FYI for others who maybe don’t know, a riving knife allows through cuts with the safety feature in place, something many older saws including my Delta do not have and cannot be adapted to.

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#4 posted 03-24-2016 07:46 PM

FYI for others who maybe don’t know, a riving knife allows through cuts with the safety feature in place, something many older saws including my Delta do not have and cannot be adapted to.

Huh? Your saw can and will accept a splitter. Why do you think it won’t? If you don’t like the splitter that is built into the blade guard, there are alternatives that don’t require the blade guard, such as the sharkguard.

Cheers,
Brad

PS: I believe you meant to say a riving knife can be used with non-through cuts, which is true. But in that case, a splitter is not really needed anyway.

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#5 posted 03-24-2016 07:48 PM

IMO you’d be throwing out the baby with the bath water in that move. You’d be downgrading from a saw that’s made to higher quality standards, has a significantly better fence, and more powerful motor for the sake of gaining a riving knife, possibly improved DC, and an inboard motor. Your saw was probably pushing ~$1000 new 12-15 years ago(?)....was it a Platinum Limited Edition? The saws your looking at are $550-$600 retail in 2016 ….I’m no economist, but something’s gotta give. It’s like selling an older Caddy for a Kia because it has airbags. If that’s really what you want to do, it’s your choice. I wouldn’t…

A splitter and a riving knife serve the same purpose… they prevent the back of the kerf from closing up on the blade. There’s little argument that a riving knife is a better mouse trap, but it’s still a mouse trap. Also, not all riving knives are created equal…some are better than others. There is an aftermarket device called the BORK (Bolt On Ripping Knife) that offers most of the benefits of a modern riving knife, including non-through cuts, and rising/lowering/tilting with the blade. It’s retrofittable on many older saws…I think yours is one of them. There are also some good aftermarket splitters that would be an upgrade from your stock splitter.

There are plenty of ways to upgrade the DC of a contractor saw. Google is your friend.

FWIW, I don’t even think the R4512 is the best choice in that price range for a new saw. The Delta 36-725 has a better fence and a better track record than the R4512. Even so, the odds are good that your current saw is the better saw overall. If you’re going to change saws, you’d be better off making the move to a top hybrid saw or a full cabinet saw (if you have 220v) IMO. ~ $1100-$1500.

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#6 posted 03-24-2016 07:50 PM

I have a Delta 36-650. I have it for 12 years. It paid for itself in the first three months of owning it. I have had zero problems with the saw. Delta makes solid, well designed machines. Not saying that rigid does not, but you already have the Delta. For $50.00 you can get a micro-jig splitter system. for around $100.00 you can get the shark guard riving knife. a new rigid saw is going to set you back???

Unless you are simply trying to justify a new purchase, which I totally understand. Do I NEED a half dozen longbows hanging on my wall when I can only shoot one at a time? If my wife asks, yes, yes I do.

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ScottinVa

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#7 posted 03-24-2016 07:57 PM

Brad, a splitter and a riving knife are different. I want a saw with a riving knife – I have the factory splitter, and a Micro Jig splitter in place, and am not satisfied with its performance. Unlike splitters which are stationary, riving knives move up and down with the blade.

Yes about the through cuts.

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Fred Hargis

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#8 posted 03-24-2016 08:10 PM

Maybe re-read what Knottscott said.

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ScottinVa

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#9 posted 03-24-2016 08:39 PM

Scott, thanks for your thoughts and especially the info about the BORK – I will see about fitting it to my saw.

Regarding the Kia/Caddy comparison, I think it’s valid and debatable, and that’s why I asked the question. I doubt my saw is a platinum addition – I’ll update when I get home. I bought it off Craigslist about 5 years ago for about $400. I can get a like new Ridgid for about the same – FYI, I have never seen a, riving knife equipped Delta on local Craigslist while the Ridgid’s pop up often. A new Kia with airbags, bluetooth connectivity, good fuel economy, etc. vs. a 95 Caddy in decent shape…. not an easy question for me.

If I had 1K to spend, I would have ordered a G0715P and been done with it!

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#10 posted 03-24-2016 08:46 PM

FYI DalyArcher, per their website, Shark Guard does not make a riving knife for Delta Contractor saws. I looked into them a couple years ago and double checked after your post – still the same.

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#11 posted 03-24-2016 08:58 PM

Sorry about that confusion Scott. I was thinking riving knife and splitter in the same context. wasn’t thinking of the fact that the riving knife raises and lowers with the blade. I hope you can come to a decision which suits you well. For what its worth, a friend of mine has a rigid tablesaw and has no complaints about it whatsoever.

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#12 posted 03-24-2016 09:02 PM

Sounds to me like you’ve already talked yourself into a new and poor decision. Your older delta with the biess fence is a far better option.

I have the steel city version of the new rigid your talking about and it took about $200 to get it up to the standard that I wanted. In retrospect I should have waited and got a true cabinet saw.

Just my opinion.

Paul.

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MrUnix

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#13 posted 03-24-2016 09:10 PM

FYI DalyArcher, per their website, Shark Guard does not make a riving knife for Delta Contractor saws.

Then it does seem strange that they would list installation instructions for Unisaw/contractor saws on their web site, and state that ”It will also fit some of the Delta Contractor and Hybrid saws as well some of the older Rockwell Delta models”. However, you would need to verify the correct model number of your saw to be sure it would work… AFAIK, delta never made a table saw with a “33” prefixed model number like you indicated – they did make 33-xxx radial arm saws though.

Cheers,
Brad

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ScottinVa

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#14 posted 03-24-2016 09:25 PM

Brad you may have made my life a whole lot easier with that information and I thank you VERY MUCH for it!

Silly me, instead of checking the installation instructions, I followed the product ordering page from the homepage – here – http://www.thesharkguard.com/zrkdelta.php It says “This knife fits Delta saw models 36-L336, 36-L352, 36-L552.” Full stop. I’ll get to the bottom of it and report back.

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#15 posted 03-25-2016 01:20 AM

My saw is a 34-441. I’m waiting on a reply from Shark.

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