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Forum topic by Sebol posted 03-22-2016 01:57 AM 938 views 0 times favorited 16 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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03-22-2016 01:57 AM

Hi all!

Longtime lurker of these forums and finally joined to seek opinions!

I’m an beginner woodworker, maybe even intermediate.. Recently my fiance and i found out we were expecting, and she told me if there is anytime to make any last (not final but, last for the short term) big investment into my hobby, now is the time. With that we made a budget of $3000 for purchases to keep me occupied.

Tools I have now:
R4512 Table Saw w/ Delta T3 fence and ZCI (does have a bit of the blade alignment issue, cannot get it under 0.012”)
Dewalt 735X planer
Miter saw
1.5HP dust collection system

I have a 3 car garage, and 1 of the bays in my garage is completely devoted to the shop, when i need more space i move a car out of the garage temporarily and move the tablesaw/assembly table as necessary.

Only have 110v power but upgrading to 240 is definitely not out of the question (electricians in the family)

Projects I plan to work on in the foreseeable future.. Jay Bates miter station (customized for my shop and i really need the space), a 10’ x 10’ shed outside, dog house(s), blanket chests.. nothing too crazy yet.

I know this is fairly open ended but, i’m trying to weigh the options of a jointer, a much higher quality cabinet table saw, bandsaw/drill press or any upgrades as needed to invest now and seeking opinions so that i can do my best to avoid the “buy this now and upgrade later” scenarios

Thanks all!

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#1 posted 03-22-2016 02:00 AM

The saw you have will work great and there are more effective ways to spend your cash. You still need a jointer and a bandsaw, and also a drill press.

Add those to what you have and you have all the main tools covered.

Do you have a router set, jigsaw, circ saw and sander?

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#2 posted 03-22-2016 02:10 AM

Also, if I were in your shoes, I’d look at Craig’s List for band saws and drill presses. There are usually good deals on those items.

If you want to go all new, I’d have to say Grizzly is the best bang for your buck. Now that is from a guy who has A Craftsman, Ridigd, and Dewalt equipped shop.

I went to the Grizzly showroom in Missouri a couple years ago and I was impressed with their tool line up as well as their prices. BTW, the Grizz 6 inch jointer, looks exactly like my Craftsman 6 inch jointer.

You have a nice dilemma !

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#3 posted 03-22-2016 02:12 AM

Hi ribs! Thanks for the reply!

I do have both a trim and larger plunge router, heavy duty circ saw and the ryobi 18v wireless circ saw for small tasks, jig saw is OK, definitely struggle cutting straight lines with it but not sure if its me or the saw!

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#4 posted 03-22-2016 02:18 AM

The dillemma is not terrible i agree! But I’ve worked mostly with the hand tools and these larger stationary tools I feel like I need to research forever before considering purchasing.. Thought I’d just ask for help this time :) that said, I have been scouring Craigslist for a while but I must admit.. Slim pickings there!

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#5 posted 03-22-2016 02:18 AM

A Jig saw can be tough to cut straight lines with. I have an old Bosch from @ 2000. I found adjusting the blade oscillation (mine has a 1-2-3 setting) helped the quality of my cuts.

There is a ton on knowledge and talent here. I’m a hack in comparison to most members here, but I’m pretty frugal and set up a nice shop on a shoestring budget. It can be done!

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#6 posted 03-22-2016 03:15 AM

Welcome to Ljs
After since you already have a table saw I would say a router,chop saw,jointer,bandsaw.benches more outlets,improve lighting and plans for a crib.

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#7 posted 03-22-2016 03:53 AM

+1 to jointer, bandsaw, and drill press. LJ reviews will give you lots of info.

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#8 posted 03-22-2016 03:59 AM

Don’t expect straight cuts with a jigsaw. That’s not what they are designed for. My favorite description of the jigsaw: the tool that can do everything, but nothing well.

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#9 posted 03-22-2016 04:02 AM

Jointer, drill press, & hand tools. Planes and chisels and marking gauges and small squares and such.

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#10 posted 03-22-2016 09:32 AM

I’d build capability. A router or two (one for hand, one for table), a jointer to flatten and square rough lumber as a reference point, maybe a DP or a BS depending on what you do.

You can tweak your fence a little to get your current saw in better alignment (unless the deviation is different every time), or unless you stumble into an awesome deal on an old cabinet saw…transfer the T2 if it’s the better of the fences.

Congrats to the expectant parents!

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#11 posted 03-22-2016 09:35 PM

Thank you for all the kind replies and congratulations!

Jointer is definitely on the list.. i’ve heard many say go to an 8” from the start or you’ll pay for the tool twice? Though i’m not sure the differences between spiral cutter/knives/parallelogram blades and what not so i have some research to do. Bandsaw and drill press are probably soon after (will try and surf craigslist too) and better blades for the tablesaw to try and help with the r4512 alignment. The R4512 is definitely a good hobbyist saw, the Delta T3 fence upgrade and ZCI has helped a lot, but not being able to align it any better and the burning on cuts has just had me curious if it was worth at considering replacing this to a grizzly 690/691 and selling the r4512 for a long term investment.

I have some cheap-er block/smoothing planes and a sharpening kit, any specific recommendations here on common planes used, brands, where to buy, etc? I saw a grizzly jointer plane on Amazon for ~$100 but, reviews left me not willing to try and purchase it.

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#12 posted 03-23-2016 12:17 AM

I would say a jointer, BS, DP, jig saw is pretty specialized depending on what your projects demandss are, I would make a router cabinet/table, can do more with that then free hand routeing. If you buy used on CL depending on your local you live in, you can do very well on there with a bit of patients for 3K$. A cheap used ShopSmith makes a great dedicated DP, and 12” disc sander, with its variable speed and can cut the tubes and make a Shorty as far as floor space or even wall mount it.

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#13 posted 03-23-2016 12:29 AM

A grade saw blade is the Freud LU86. A super combo blade at a great price.
I’ve always done fine with a 6 inch jointer but I know many prefer the 8 inch.

Here is great deal on a DP:

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#14 posted 03-23-2016 01:01 AM

Nice Craftsman used floor model DP for $175

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#15 posted 03-23-2016 01:24 AM

I have a friend with a Crapsman DP, to change speeds you have to move the belts, no quick way to do that, I am sure the same on the HF, that is why i suggested a SS and dedicate it to a DP. No belts/pulleys, it is trrue variable speed. 700-5700rpm.

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