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02-27-2016 03:17 PM

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Hi guys, been lurking around for a while, but finally have a question. Does this craftsman 3hp saw look worth 75$? I currently have no table saw, and need something that will give me decent results while I fix up my garage then save to buy a nicer saw. Thanks!

http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/tls/5458606504.html


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#1 posted 02-27-2016 03:46 PM

Probably worth $75.
Just be aware that it’s not really 3HP (Maybe 1HP?) and the fence might not be any good.
But you’re not going to get much for $75.

I started with a similar saw, and added a Vega fence and it was a good say for quite a few years until I got my Unisaw.

With lower end saws, the Fence makes a world of difference.

-- Gerry, http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/index.html http://www.jointcam.com

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#2 posted 02-27-2016 03:50 PM

It looks to be all there, for 75 it may be worth it.

-- mrg

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#3 posted 02-27-2016 03:57 PM

I’d say for sure it’s worth $75. Gonna be better than any job site saw that you’d pay a lot more for. My FIL has the same saw, but with a vega fence. His has a 1 1/2 horse motor, so I imagine that one does too. As said, the fence is the weak point, but it will be serviceable.

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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#4 posted 02-27-2016 04:17 PM

Well if any of you guys have the time, you could look at the Seattle CL and let me know if there is a better deal. I am not trying to spend too much on one for now, because my garage seems to let alot of moisture in and I don’t want a good saw rusting. I am going to be residing and fixing some rotted sil plates on my garage this summer, so hopefully in a year or 2 I can afford a nicer Hybrid or Cabinet(From CL). Also if I go look at a saw, what should I be looking for? If there is a post about how to buy a used table saw I wouldn’t mind a link!(I didn’t find any) Also when I google Vega fence, I get a “Vega PRO 50 Table Saw Fence System” for 316$. Is this what you all are suggesting? Cause that is way out of my price range.

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#5 posted 02-27-2016 04:30 PM

It’ll be hard beat that saw for $75. It’s way better than a plastic benchtop saw. The motor is worth at least that, and other parts have some value too, so you really can’t go wrong if it works. It’s got the right basics….large cast iron table, belt drive induction motor, standard miter slots. The fence isn’t the best, but it’ll work if you’re careful when you set it. You can grow with this one and add a better fence, better miter gauge, solid cast wings, etc, down the road if you choose. The motor and many parts are also pretty easy to replace at a reasonable cost if need be.

There’s not a lot in your area on CL right now, but here’s another that’s are at least worth the asking price IMO. Smaller, has a universal motor, but these saws have a large following and can be pretty good if you learn to use it.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/tls/5458621923.html

As far as what to look for….overall condition is a good indicator. Some rust/patina and dirt are fine, as long as it doesn’t look like it’s been left outside, flooded, totally neglected, bashed and broken, etc. Look it over and check for obvious damage or breakage. With the saw unplugged, try moving the blade using the belt at the back and listen for bearings that are grinding or sqeaking….they’re replaceable. It’s nice of the handwheels move smoothly, but some cleaning and lubrication should remedy that. Table flatness is worth a look, but don’t get too anal about it….if it looks pretty flat it’ll usually be close enough. Run the saw and be sure the blade spins straight with no excessive wobble….it’s nice if it cuts well, but that’s largely a function of the blade type, sharpness, saw setup, wood itself, etc. The belt is easy and cheap to replace if necessary. Pulleys are reasonable to replace too. The fence is adjustable, the alignment is adjustable. Blade and good alignment are keys to the actual performance, so set aside at least $30 for a decent blade.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#6 posted 02-27-2016 04:53 PM

This is the other craftsman I was looking at. Looks like its in much better condition. Worth 200$? I am pushing the amount I have for a saw right now… about 250$ was my total budget. http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/tls/5464166927.html

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#7 posted 02-27-2016 05:10 PM


This is the other craftsman I was looking at. Looks like its in much better condition. Worth 200$? I am pushing the amount I have for a saw right now… about 250$ was my total budget. http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/tls/5464166927.html

- Bralic

It is in better shape, but looks to be essentially the same saw but with steel wings vs cast iron. Same fence, same guts, very similar motors….both were made in the US by Emerson. I didn’t see the blade guard on this one. Also, the $75 saw may have the 1-1/2hp motor vs 1hp motor….check the motor plates for the hp ratings…they’ll differ from the marketing claim on the front of the saw! The motors will be close in amp rating and actual usable power, but sometimes that “3hp” version does have an extra capacitor so they give it a higher HP rating. Also, be sure that the $200 saw has a belt drive vs “flex drive”...that’d be a show stopper for me. The $75 saw should clean up just as nice as the $200 saw is now…it’s really not bad from what I can see in the pics, so it looks to me that the $75 is the better deal.

Here’s what the back of a lot of the saws with the grated cast wings and “3hp” motor claim look like (note the two capacitors cans):

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Here’s what a lot of the lower models with steel wings have:

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#8 posted 02-27-2016 05:14 PM

Thanks for all the answers Knotscott! The 75$ saw is closer to me and worth checking out first. If its in nice enough shape, I’ll just buy it. Thanks for everyone’s help and knowledge!

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#9 posted 02-27-2016 09:56 PM

A good fence is not cheap.
A Delta T3 is supposed to be pretty decent, but is still $200.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DELTA-36-T30-T3-30-Inch-Fence-and-Rail-System-replace-36-T30T2-NEW-/271918813095

Buy the saw for $75, and see if you can work with the stock fence. If not, upgrade the fence and you’ll have a saw that will be good for many years to come.

-- Gerry, http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/index.html http://www.jointcam.com

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#10 posted 02-28-2016 01:41 AM

I have the same model as the $75 saw, and it works pretty well. It’s good that one comes with the blade guard/splitter, because on many of these that assembly is missing.

I did a minor upgrade to the pulleys, got a machined set of pulleys and a serpentine belt on the bay.

The fences are OK, but not great. Mine was bowed slightly, but you can correct that with some clever clamping. Download the owner’s manual to learn how to set everything up.

-- https://www.etsy.com/shop/TMGStudioFurniture

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#11 posted 02-28-2016 01:09 PM

To me, it beats the little plastic job site saws for sale today that are pretty spendy for what they are. I used one of these with a cast iron top etc. for 20+ years. It built a lot of furniture etc for me. If the motor starts and runs, $75 is a good buy. No matter what it says on the saw, it is NOT a 3hp. That is an old marketing ploy that rates the motor at PEAK capacity. My motor was 1.5 hp, but still ripped pretty well with a thin kerf blade, and cut everything else including some cove cut cabinet doors very well. Eventually I put a link belt and machined pulleys on mine to smooth it out. It did. When I bought my 3hp Griz, I moved the Incra TSIII that I had on it to the new saw along with my Incra miter gauge. I sold mine for $150 to a builder who wanted a bigger job site saw. IMHO, it was a little heavy and bulky for that, but it was now his saw and he could use it however he wants. It is an oldie but a goodie, and for the money, a great starter saw. I’d jump on it.

-- "Now I'm just another old guy wearing funny clothes"

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#12 posted 02-28-2016 02:11 PM

For $75 that should be in your garage already. The $250 saw is actually a cheaper version but cleaner cosmetics-wise. I’d save the extra money.

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#13 posted 02-28-2016 02:17 PM

Both good saws and both have the same problem with the fence. I would probably go with the $75 saw. It will clean up and look as good as the more expensive one. They are almost identical other than appearance.

-- Bruce, Boise, ID

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#14 posted 02-28-2016 06:33 PM

Can’t get a hold of the 75$ saw guy. but today a older Jet Jwts-10 went on sale for 175$, bad pics though. Are older gets Jets as good as these older Craftsmans? And while MrUnix down below is correct in that rule quote, I still know nothing about older jets… Or craftsman. Just dun wanna buy the pinto of the old saw world.

http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/tls/5468372679.html


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#15 posted 02-28-2016 06:46 PM

Can’t get a hold of the 75$ saw guy…

That ad has been out there for a week, so it’s most likely long gone and the seller just hasn’t pulled it.
OWWM Rule #5 isn’t something to be ignored :)

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid

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