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Forum topic by Joe Lyddon posted 02-25-2016 04:22 AM 599 views 0 times favorited 11 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Joe Lyddon

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02-25-2016 04:22 AM

Topic tags/keywords: laser printer toner good bad still good mixable

I have had a Laser Printer (Black toner only) for a few years now…
I have used the Toner Cartridges when required…

Then, I started using Toner Refills… small containers of toner to replace the Old stuff in the Cartridge.

I unplug the toner plug, pour, shake, rattle, & roll the Old Toner OUT, before I add the container of New Toner.
(this is the dirtiest part of the job)

It has been working out very well and I am very happy with the results.

I do have to execute a special Printer procedure that tells the printer (Brother HL-2270DW) that it has a New Toner Cartridge in it, which is very easy to do.

My Question:

Is the Old Toner, that I’m dumping STILL GOOD or has it gone bad?

If it’s still GOOD, I wouldn’t have to dump it out… I could just add more New Toner.

Does anyone have any experience in this area to answer my question?...

I think this could be asked for Copy Machines, etc. as well…

Thank you.

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"


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robscastle

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#1 posted 02-25-2016 05:11 AM

Joe
From my experience getting a remanufactured toner is a better deal than attempting to do it yourself, from what you say abd I think you already know its a messy procedure.

Resudual toner, now this is an assumption only and no scientific evidence or knowledge supplied if you use the same toner supplier it should work go mixing it with “other” suppliers and expect a different result.
As you are only using black little difference may be visible print wise

-- Regards Robert

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#2 posted 02-25-2016 05:16 AM

The stuff inside the cartridge is basically just carbon powder, iron oxide and a plastic polymer to help aid in melting/fusing – all of which will last forever under ideal conditions. It’s only real enemy is moisture, which will cause it to clump. If the cartridge was working fine before running out, I don’t think it would need to be completely emptied before adding more… but it certainly doesn’t hurt to do so anyway.

Cheers,
Brad

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#3 posted 02-25-2016 04:33 PM

I’m with Brad, I bet you could just add more. Laser printers are already a way better deal than inkjets, and if you can refill more cheaply, all the better. I’m guessing there’s a limited amount of times you can try this trick with each toner cartridge.

Also I’ve been much happier with consumer level printers from Brother as compared to HP and others. HP in particular had a known bug with their printers that it would tell you you needed a new cartridge even when it was still good, and even when new. Only way to make the printer print was to unplug it and plug in again. Eventually had to do that every single time I wanted to print. For how much new cartridges cost, you can bet that after I ran out of them, I bought the Brother laser.

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#4 posted 02-25-2016 06:06 PM

OK, I am going to try adding new toner this time… and hold back a little so as not to OVER fill…
... will let y’all know what happens…

I have three cartridges that I have saved from the Buy & Use method… I have refilled them at least three times… this will be the start of the 4th cycle.

Thank you very much for your comments…

Emptying the old toner was the DIRTIEST part of the job… This way, should be a lot cleaner!

We shall see… :)

Being an pack rat, I have even saved the Old Toner in a large jar (sealed good)... I could even try refilling an Old Bottle to the full-point & refill with a full amount of just OLD toner! Might be a little more messy though… Just for kicks, I may do THAT this time!! :) The cart in the printer now, is flashing the Low Toner LED…

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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#5 posted 02-25-2016 07:21 PM

The Brother’s cartridge, for this printer, doesn’t contain a photo drum (like in HP printers). Adding toner is OK and as others have pointed out, there’s no reason to dump the old toner before adding new.

The only thing I would caution is NOT to use your wife’s vacuum to clean up any spilled toner. As Brad pointed out, the toner dust is actually iron particles covered in plastic. The dust is so fine it can pass thru the vacuum bag and lodge in the motor. The heat of the windings/brushes can melt the plastic and the iron particles could eventually short out the motor. Granted, this would take a lot of toner dust but do you really want to buy a new vacuum :^(

-- Lew- Time traveler. Purveyor of the Universe's finest custom rolling pins.

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#6 posted 02-25-2016 08:00 PM

I used to take all the left over toner from all the cartridges and dump them into another cartridge. It would work for a while and eventually then the pages would come out dark – tinted in toner.
What I found out is it takes a certain amount of current to get the toner to stick to the paper and as the toner is used up, the printer increases the current to get the toner to stick to the paper. The stuff that’s left in the cartridge when they claim it’s empty is the stuff that takes a stronger charge. This is why they tell you to dump the old stuff before adding new toner.
I basically gave up on refilling toners once I found $11 cartridges on ebay. It’s not worth $5 for the aggravation and mess of refilling toners and resetting them.

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#7 posted 02-25-2016 08:19 PM

ClammyBallz…

That makes sense… That is the Thing I was wondering… the Old stuff being the Leftovers that didn’t want to Stick very well, if at all, etc…

I have not seen Cartridges for $11 anywhere for my printer….

I will try to develop a CLEANER way of removing the Old toner… After that, it’s a piece of cake…

Your comment came Just In Time, before I was going to tackle the job… :)

Thank you!

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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#8 posted 02-25-2016 08:31 PM

$8 ea & I can confirm the ones from this company work, we’ve gone through about 20 of them.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/3PK-TN450-HL-2230-HL2240-HL2270DW-HL2280DW-MFC-7360N-Compatible-Toner-BROTHE-/380473046040?hash=item5895f5f418

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#9 posted 02-25-2016 09:05 PM

ClammyBallz…

Thank You! I ordered 1 pk of three!

I will now refill the 3 I have to refill… Then start using these NEW Ebay carts!!

That is a good buy! I don’t know if I would have tried them w/o your testimony! :)

HEY! I just got a Finishing thought!
I wonder if this old toner could be used t mix with a clear epoxy, poly, etc. to get some really BLACK finishing stuff?!

AGAIN! Thank you!

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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Joe Lyddon

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#10 posted 02-25-2016 09:24 PM

ClammyBallz…

I went to their website and found this item…

When buying in this qty of 10, you can get them for less than $7 per cartridge!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/310433845525

I also noticed that they ship from El Monte, CA !! I used to work in El Monte! Not far away at all!

Very interesting!

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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#11 posted 09-21-2016 10:07 AM



I m with Brad, I bet you could just add more. Laser printers are already a way better deal than inkjet, and if you can refill more cheaply, all the better. I m guessing there s a limited amount of times you can try this trick with each toner cartridge.

Also I ve been much happier with consumer level printers from Brother as compared to HP and others. HP in particular had a known bug with their printers that it would tell you you needed a new cartridge even when it was still good, and even when new. Only way to make the printer print was to unplug it and plug in again. Eventually had to do that every single time I wanted to print. For how much new cartridges cost, you can bet that after I ran out of them, I bought the Brother laser.

- Tim

Hi I’m Craig. Noob here. I’m using this HP 3-in-1 machine that I used a couple of years ago as my main printer for my files. It is a B&W laser printer that uses an off the shelf toner cartridge. It always printed clean and crisp. However, I started encountering multiple page pickups issue and the print quality becomes poor. It’s like a fax machine from 80s. One question Can toner get old while a cartridge sits in a machine for a couple of years? Before I go out and invest another $55 in a new cartridge, I am wondering if I should just get a new machine.

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