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Forum topic by Kennyl posted 02-23-2016 10:48 PM 565 views 0 times favorited 11 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Kennyl

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02-23-2016 10:48 PM

Just today bought 5 cmt bits from Menards got home then read package made in china.All 5 bits we’re dull,I was so disgusted I threw them in the garbage and called cmt here in the states.Mike on phone listened and understood my disgust,but also said he is not high enough on the totem pole and I would never reach anyone who could make a difference.Names of a business are too often just that,just a name,my rant, this is another fyi

-- Kennyl


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MadMark

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#1 posted 02-23-2016 11:00 PM

Carbide or HSS? If they were HSS then you were right to toss them.

Now larger diameter forstners can have cutting issues where they stall easily. This is because the cutting edge chisles all at once over the full diameter. This is not due to dull bits but to the ever increasing bite as the size goes up. Many small dp’s just don’t have the oomph for large forstners esp in hardwoods, even on the slowest/most powerful setting.

All of mine are Roman Carbide (China) and work well even if they’re not the best. I have 1/4” thru 3” bits and no real complaints.

M

-- Madmark - Madmark2150@yahoo.com Wiretreefarm.com

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conifur

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#2 posted 02-23-2016 11:04 PM

Why not return them to Menards???

-- Knowledge and experience equals Wisdom, Michael Frankowski

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joey502

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#3 posted 02-24-2016 12:42 AM



Why not return them to Menards???

- conifur

I agree. Even if there were only a couple dollars and not worth a special trip they could be set aside until you visit Menards again.

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conifur

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#4 posted 02-24-2016 02:16 AM

Menards returns all, and there Tool Shop/Pro Max they cover for 2 years no questions asked, done a 10in CPMS and a ROS, just save your reseat.
Some would rather complain then solve the problem, the difference between an actor and a reactor.

-- Knowledge and experience equals Wisdom, Michael Frankowski

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Kennyl

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#5 posted 02-25-2016 10:56 AM

I did try resolving the problem by calling cmt and complaining about poor quality.Yes I could take the bits back,and may yet.When a company puts their name on something like cmt who has always had good products,it should work and I should not have to return it.The rep I talked to indicated they we’re aware of the forstener bit problem.So much for quality control.

-- Kennyl

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rwe2156

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#6 posted 02-25-2016 12:08 PM

Sorry MM, but it’s got nothing do do with HSS vs. carbide. I don’t own a single carbide Forstner and they cut just fine.

Its just what he said: QC. If they don’t stay on top of QC like white on rice and hold their feet to the fire, the Chinese seem default to whatever makes them the most profit, which in most cases, is make them faster (ie cut corners)/us cheaper materials.

This is why things like huge tolerances, crappy steel, and poor casting clean up is so common with Chinese tools and the American distributors let them get away with it because all they want is the cheapest product (think Harbor Freight, Northern Tool, etc.).

I’ve had similar problems with replacement parts made in China, most recently with Jet.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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Tennessee

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#7 posted 02-25-2016 01:18 PM

rwe is correct.
First off, I don’t own a single carbide Forstner bit either, never have, and have zero problems with cuts. Do I have to resharpen once in a while? Sure – I have one 7/8” bit that has cut over 60 against the grain jack holes in guitar bodies, and it has been resharpened a couple times with no problems.

As far as Menard’s is concerned, when I lived in Iowa many years ago, they were a great outfit that seemed very customer friendly. Not to say they sell the best stuff, but I’d just simply take them back and look at other brands. Good luck finding an American made Forstner bit for a reasonable price…

-- Paul, Tennessee, http://www.tsunamiguitars.com

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dhazelton

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#8 posted 02-25-2016 01:53 PM

Read the package in the store. Seriously. Or sharpen the bits instead of tossing them in the trash. Don’t you want SOME value for your money?

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bondogaposis

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#9 posted 02-25-2016 02:01 PM

I’ve got quite a few Forstners from China, and the first step is to sharpen them. If you want to avoid that get your bits from Lee Valley they cost a lot more however. The sizes I use a lot I get from Lee Valley and others that use occasionally, I go the made in China route and figure on sharpening them out of the box.

-- Bondo Gaposis

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CecilD

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#10 posted 02-25-2016 08:12 PM

I was a buyer of a large retail company years back and I know a lot of the problems with imported tool (and other things) is when the marketing dept. main specification to the manufacture is “How Cheap can you make this”. They can make good product when given good spec. & the cost is not the main thing. SawStop is a good example. We must accept the fact that the USA has taken itself out of the manufacturing business.

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MadMark

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#11 posted 02-26-2016 01:52 AM

We work with jatoba here. HSS bits just smoke and die if you’re doing any volume. You pretty much have to use carbide on most everything when milling jatoba. Anyone know where I can find solid carbide brad point drills?

M

-- Madmark - Madmark2150@yahoo.com Wiretreefarm.com

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