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Forum topic by MLD posted 02-17-2016 04:30 PM 1476 views 0 times favorited 18 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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MLD

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02-17-2016 04:30 PM

I have not seen the critical information I need so far, so I am posting this. I am in the market for a low angle jack plane. Vintage Stanley 62’s in usable condition are rare and more expensive than a LN or Veritas. Woodriver and the new “sweetheart” Stanley are not in my mind as viable options. LN and Veritas both are in the same price range. I have concerns over the LN 62 as Ebay is flooded with them. I have heard of quality issues recently and the necessity to do cleanup work before using them. Ebay has only had one Veritas 62 in the last month. I have not heard of issue with the Veritas.
Has anyone owned and used both and can tell me which one is better? Critical reviews on either? I am pretty well sold on the Veritas, but would like everyone else’s two cents before I buy. Thanks.


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#1 posted 02-17-2016 05:34 PM

The LAJ is an excellent choice – it’s the most versatile plane I’m aware of – jointer, panel flattening and smoothing, shooting board. It is not however a good choice for typical jack plane work – cleaning up after a scrub plane and “rougher” work in general. A #5 Stanley is a better choice.

I own the Veritas LA BUJ, review here. I haven’t used the LN 62, but I’ll go through the way I weighed out my decision. I see quality, customer service, and price as a draw.

Looks LN hands down
. Tote Personal choice – I don’t like either and make custom totes. Prefer Veritas over Stanley/LN
. Mouth Adj Veritas – the adjustable stop screw allows opening the mouth for chip clearing and returning to the same spot. LN is like a block plane – have to try to return the lever to the same spot.
. Blade Adj Veritas – Norris adjuster for depth and lateral adjustment. Set screws to adjust amount of lateral play at the blade bevel. LN depth adjuster only. Limited lateral adjustment by hand/hammer only.
. Blade Veritas – 2-1/4” width PM-V11 available (worth the cost), same blade fits BU smoother and jointer. LN 2” width
. Accessories Veritas – jointing fence. LN Hotdog for shooting. (I made “hotdog” for the Veritas)

The added value Veritas provides with their design innovation made the decision easy for me.

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#2 posted 02-17-2016 05:44 PM

LN quality issues? That’s the first I’ve heard.

If you want classic go LN

If you want innovative go veritas

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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TheTurtleCarpenter

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#3 posted 02-17-2016 07:00 PM

You won’t hear anything negative from either owner, they are both good choices and both companies stand behind their products.

Jeff

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#4 posted 02-17-2016 08:09 PM



I have not seen the critical information I need so far, so I am posting this. I am in the market for a low angle jack plane. Vintage Stanley 62 s in usable condition are rare and more expensive than a LN or Veritas. Woodriver and the new “sweetheart” Stanley are not in my mind as viable options. LN and Veritas both are in the same price range. I have concerns over the LN 62 as Ebay is flooded with them. I have heard of quality issues recently and the necessity to do cleanup work before using them. Ebay has only had one Veritas 62 in the last month. I have not heard of issue with the Veritas.
Has anyone owned and used both and can tell me which one is better? Critical reviews on either? I am pretty well sold on the Veritas, but would like everyone else s two cents before I buy. Thanks.

- MLD

Where have you heard of quality issues? Please provide a link or source for this claim.

-- Mike

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bobasaurus

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#5 posted 02-17-2016 09:15 PM

One quirk with the LN is the depth adjustment has friction with the blade, causing it to skew while increasing or decreasing depth. I hate having to redo the lateral adjustments with every depth change on my LN No. 7 1/2. On my Veritas LA Jack, the norris adjuster works perfectly. I use a toothed blade on it for roughing things flat and it’s amazing… even very curly grain will not tear out with it.

-- Allen, Colorado

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#6 posted 02-17-2016 11:57 PM

I love my LV, but don’t like the tote. Its a little squarish in my large hands. Also my pinky finger tends to move the depth/lateral adjuster in use. I have several irons ground at different angles for different grains, etc.

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#7 posted 02-18-2016 02:05 AM

I have the LN 62. No issues and seems to be fine craftsmanship.

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MLD

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#8 posted 02-18-2016 12:50 PM

Paratrooper, I heard of a common issue at a time that there were burrs left in the mouth. These had to be removed before use. That was the only thing I heard.

Thank you all for your input.

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#9 posted 02-18-2016 03:49 PM



I have the LN 62. No issues and seems to be fine craftsmanship.

- Cato

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#10 posted 02-18-2016 08:30 PM



Paratrooper, I heard of a common issue at a time that there were burrs left in the mouth. These had to be removed before use. That was the only thing I heard.

Thank you all for your input.

- MLD

So what…someone said this to you? Someone from LN or just some cat off the street? I am thinking of buying one of those planes and if there are problems, I want to know.

-- Mike

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#11 posted 02-18-2016 09:43 PM


Paratrooper, I heard of a common issue at a time that there were burrs left in the mouth. These had to be removed before use. That was the only thing I heard.

Thank you all for your input.

- MLD

So what…someone said this to you? Someone from LN or just some cat off the street? I am thinking of buying one of those planes and if there are problems, I want to know.

- paratrooper34

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MLD

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#12 posted 02-19-2016 12:40 PM

Paratrooper: Yes, I was walking down the street the other day and a stranger came up to me, looked me dead in the eyes and told me that he had a message. We proceeded to the nearest Starbucks where we sat and he told me that he was an angel sent from heaven. He told me to go forth and do great woodworking, teach it to whom I could and not to buy Lie-Nielsen low angle jack plane. He then told me there was another Skywalker and disappeared before my eyes.

(A reseller and instructor mentioned this occurrence when I asked him his opinion on the matter.)

Buy what you like. If you are set on the LN, go for it. If there are burrs in the mouth area, then you won’t be surprised. Good day.

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paratrooper34

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#13 posted 02-23-2016 10:49 PM



Paratrooper: Yes, I was walking down the street the other day and a stranger came up to me, looked me dead in the eyes and told me that he had a message. We proceeded to the nearest Starbucks where we sat and he told me that he was an angel sent from heaven. He told me to go forth and do great woodworking, teach it to whom I could and not to buy Lie-Nielsen low angle jack plane. He then told me there was another Skywalker and disappeared before my eyes.

(A reseller and instructor mentioned this occurrence when I asked him his opinion on the matter.)

Buy what you like. If you are set on the LN, go for it. If there are burrs in the mouth area, then you won t be surprised. Good day.

- MLD

Ah, had to be a jackass huh? Ok, got it.

-- Mike

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Marlow

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#14 posted 02-24-2016 03:19 AM

I own and use the LN and like all other LN tools I have used, there are zero quality issues. Adjusting a bevel up plane is not all that difficult once you get the hang of it. Get yourself a small hammer (you don’t need the LN $85 plane adjusting hammer, although it does look nice on the bench) and use it to tap the iron into alignment. It should only take a very short time to get the shaving thickness where you want it and even across the width. A little practice goes a long way. I have no doubt that if you ultimately chose the LV, you would be happy with its performance.

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#15 posted 02-24-2016 10:09 AM

I doubt that there are quality issues with either plane. They are both out of the top drawer. Both ductile iron.

They are different planes.

The LN is like a #5 while the LV is like a #5 1/2 (well, a little smaller than that). The LN uses a 2” wide blade and the LV has a 2 1/4” wide blade. There is more registration area on the side of the wider LV, which creates more stability on a shooting board. The narrower LN has better balance on a narrow edge when jointing. The LV has far better “controls” (blade adjustments and mouth opening). The PM-V11 steel from LV is a better blade than the A2 from LN.

Regards from Perth

Derek

LV LA Jack
Stanley #62

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