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Forum topic by Spelcher posted 02-12-2016 05:11 AM 917 views 0 times favorited 28 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Spelcher

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02-12-2016 05:11 AM

I just got a nice Millers Falls #10 (4 1/2) smoothing plane in the mail from the auction site. The photo of the sole in the item description looked like a perfectly smooth sole, but it turns out it was because the picture was blurry. There are 4 deep scratches in the front of the sole and two extend into the mouth.

I got this to tune up to be my final fine-finishing plane – just wondering if, from anyone’s experience, scratches right at the mouth can show up on the finished surface when planing with a tight mouth opening and close chip breaker? I’m probably over-thinking this, but just wanted to ask before putting a bunch of work into cleanup and fettling, as this was going to be the one plane I fettle the crap out of. The only reasoning I can think of is two thin lines of fibres not getting as compressed before being cut…

The scratches are too deep to lap out, and the rest of the sole is very good. Just kind of cheesed at the misleading picture…
The actual sole:

The picture from the item listing:

-- Jason


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#1 posted 02-12-2016 05:16 AM

Let it eat. It’ll be just fine.

That pic looks photoshopped. No way that is just blurry. It’s perfectly useable but seem pretty effing deceptive.

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#2 posted 02-12-2016 05:49 AM

Scratches won’t hurt a thing. When you give the sole a wipe with some candle wax, scratches will just fill right up.

Now, IF it was a case of a few burrs sticking down, they will scratch the wood. They can be lapped off, or, if around the mouth opening, filed off.

may not be photo shopped, glare can hide many a flaw….depends on how you hold the camera….

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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#3 posted 02-12-2016 10:29 AM

No worries with those scratches. Won’t hurt a thing. As long as the sole’s flat and nothings protruding that could gouge the wood, you’re good.

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#4 posted 02-12-2016 12:44 PM

Those are scratches not gouges. Liable to generate some more when you use it. Won’t affect a thing. With a properly tuned and set chip breaker, a tight mouth setting for tear out reduction is way over rated anyway.

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Fred Hargis

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#5 posted 02-12-2016 12:54 PM

For use that will be just fine…but the seller should receive some crass feedback. That was indeed a dupe.

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#6 posted 02-12-2016 01:41 PM

Agree with all the above. Scratches won’t be an issue and the seller misled you as a buyer with that pic—it is not an accurate representation of the product.

-- "Good judgement is the result of experience. A lot of experience is the result of poor judgement."

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#7 posted 02-12-2016 01:47 PM

Even though it wont affect its use, I’d be pissed. That is blatant deception.

-- Joe | Spartanburg, SC | "To give anything less than your best is to sacrafice the gift." - Steve Prefontaine

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#8 posted 02-12-2016 01:56 PM

What they said. wont hurt a thing in the wood working as long as it is smooth to the touch. not bur around the scratch. but that picture is not of that plane sole. even the tarnish pattern does not match.

-- James Wright, Rockford IL, https://www.youtube.com/c/WoodWright

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Spelcher

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#9 posted 02-12-2016 04:16 PM

Thanks for all the feedback guys. No burrs, it’s smooth to the touch, they’re just quite deep at the front of the mouth which was my only concern.

When I sent the pictures to the seller he also told me the plane was not the one in the photo, but accused me of showing a photo of a different plane than the one I was sent, while at the same time accused me of planing over nails (to me there’s no way those scratches look fresh). I guess that’s why you hear so much advice about not buying vintage planes on the auction site – he had 100% feedback too…

It would have been fine and dandy if I hadn’t bid so high thinking the sole was pristine…

-- Jason

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JayT

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#10 posted 02-12-2016 04:20 PM

Get ebay involved (assuming this was ebay). Send them the pics and let them decide. I’d be willing to bet they will land on your side on this one.

-- "Good judgement is the result of experience. A lot of experience is the result of poor judgement."

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#11 posted 02-12-2016 04:25 PM

Yeah I agree. Those definitely don’t look like the same plane soles. You certainly have good reason to complain.

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HokieKen

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#12 posted 02-12-2016 04:33 PM



Get ebay involved (assuming this was ebay). Send them the pics and let them decide. I d be willing to bet they will land on your side on this one.

- JayT

Unless the item said that you would recieve a plane other than the one pictured I’d say there’s no way they wouldn’t land on your side. Especially if you have a copy of correspondence where the seller confessed that you weren’t sent the one in the picture. If you are still happy with it for what you paid, just leave negative feedback and let it ride. If you feel like you overpaid though, I’d get eBay involved. I’ve only had to go through them one time but they were most helpful. Fortunately outside of that single experience, anyone I’ve bought from or sold to has been great as far as resolving problems.

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#13 posted 02-12-2016 05:39 PM



When I sent the pictures to the seller he also told me the plane was not the one in the photo, but accused me of showing a photo of a different plane than the one I was sent, while at the same time accused me of planing over nails (to me there s no way those scratches look fresh). I guess that s why you hear so much advice about not buying vintage planes on the auction site – he had 100% feedback too…

It would have been fine and dandy if I hadn t bid so high thinking the sole was pristine…
- Spelcher

That’s shady business right there. Especially trying to blame you for his shady dealing. I would have been inclined to let it go if the seller simply said sorry, but trying to turn it around on you is no bueno. That would make me want to get Ebay involved also. Maybe before that I’d give the guy one more chance to make it right.

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#14 posted 02-12-2016 07:54 PM

+100 to chasing down that seller via ebay’s procedures. What a douche.

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --

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#15 posted 02-12-2016 08:05 PM

That sucks about the seller. Bad feedback is warranted here.

But you can just think of the scratches as micro corrugations. 8^)

-- ian | "You can't stop what's coming. It ain't all waiting on you. That's vanity."

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