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Forum topic by Wondermutt posted 02-09-2016 04:35 PM 890 views 0 times favorited 16 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Wondermutt

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02-09-2016 04:35 PM

I am looking to expand my router bit collection. I bought some Bosch bits from a local home store and have no issues with them, but when I go to my local woodcraft and tool dealer, they do not have them. They both carry Frued.

What is the difference between the two brands? Is there a better brand of cutter out there?

I have gone the HF route and am now more concerned with the quality of the tool not the cost. If I can not afford the tool, I will wait till I can.

I am in this hobby for the long haul now and hope to pass this along to my kids.

Thanks


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Fred Hargis

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#1 posted 02-09-2016 04:44 PM

Bosch bought the Freud bits/blades business some years ago. I have to think by now they have merged/consolidated any of the manufacturing of the 2 brands into common facilities. If true (and I have no idea if it is) I would think they are similar in quality…that said, I have a couple of Bosch bits that are pre-merger and they were already very good bits (as are the Freud). Still, I’ve come to like the Whiteside bits a little better mostly because they have a broader range of options. The Infinity bits are also very good, but I have more Freud than any other brand.

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HokieKen

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#2 posted 02-09-2016 05:33 PM

I’ve become a big fan of Yonico bits (I buy them from Amazon). I’ve bought 3 pattern bits and a T-track bit from them and they are of excellent quality. Hard, smooth and perfectly sized shanks, cleanly brazed quality carbide cutter tips and sharp. If I need a bit I’m going to ride hard and put up wet, I still lean toward Whiteside or Freud but for the cutters I don’t use all the time and that aren’t doing heavy cuts, I like the Yonico.

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Wondermutt

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#3 posted 02-09-2016 05:39 PM

Good to know Ken and Fred. I am a little gun shy after I had a HF bearing explode and embed itself in my shops timbers.

When I took it back they were aploigetic and offered a new one. Awesome. But when unpackaging the new bit the bearing was real rough. Not so awesome.

So on the router bits…. Quality from here on out….

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knotscott

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#4 posted 02-09-2016 06:08 PM

Freud and Bosch are both quality brands. I tend to stick with Whiteside or Infinity if possible, and most of my cheaper bits from MLCS….decent quality at a good price. I’ve also had good luck with Price Cutter, CMT, and Katana bits

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716

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#5 posted 02-10-2016 02:02 PM

They often use the same material and the quality of the bits often come to the thickness of the carbide tip. The thicker it is the tip the more times it can be sharpened. If you do not sharpen your bits there is no point of buying the more expensive brands.
As noted above someone likes the Yonico, these cut as good as Freud or Whiteside but come with thin carbide and are less expensive

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dschlic1

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#6 posted 02-10-2016 06:05 PM

I second the idea of Yonico bits. I have a Whiteside set and also have several from Yonico. Both are about equal quality of cut. Really can’t say as to the longevity of either.

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jusfine

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#7 posted 02-10-2016 06:25 PM

Another option would be the Lee Valley brand of bits.

I have used many of Lee Valley’s selection as well as others, Delta, CMT, Freud, Whiteside, etc.

LV bits are reasonably priced, good selection and the Quality Control is excellent. Plus they are all green!

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Richard

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#8 posted 02-10-2016 06:38 PM


Another option would be the Lee Valley brand of bits.

I have used many of Lee Valley s selection as well as others, Delta, CMT, Freud, Whiteside, etc.

LV bits are reasonably priced, good selection and the Quality Control is excellent. Plus they are all green!

- jusfine


Just wondering , does Lee Valley make their own bits or have them made by someone else ? Guess the same question could be made of the other Brands as well , who has their own Manufacturing Plant and who Subs it Out to someone else.

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xeddog

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#9 posted 02-10-2016 06:52 PM

OK, I’ll say it. Rockler bits have served me well. I have some Freud, a couple of Bosch, and a couple of CMT. All of the latter brands were more for a specific purpose though, so 90% of the time I am using Rockler bits.

As for Bosch buying Freud, maybe that is why my local Lowes had all the Bosch bits on clearance a while back.

The only problem I have ever had with a router bit was with a Bosch three-flute flush trim bit. I must admit, though, that this falls under the category of “shudda known better”. I got the bit in a Bosch router that I bought at a garage sale for $10. The previous owner was an “artist” and not a woodworker and didn’t seem to have any common sense when it came to things mechanical so he didn’t know how to get the bit out of the collet when it became a little stuck. Also, it was a plunge router and the plunge mechanism didn’t work very well. Took me about 2 minutes to free the bit. It looked fine and I used it a time or two for a small job without checking it out first. When the job got a little bigger, the bearing seized and burned a groove in my workpiece.

Wayne

btw. I cleaned up the router and lubed the plunge mechanism with some dry lube and it now works perfectly.

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knotscott

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#10 posted 02-10-2016 09:05 PM


Just wondering , does Lee Valley make their own bits or have them made by someone else ? Guess the same question could be made of the other Brands as well , who has their own Manufacturing Plant and who Subs it Out to someone else.
- Richard

I doubt very much that LV makes their own bits….I think the vast majority of brands like Grizzly, Rockler, Stone Mountain, etc, are made overseas by a contracted manufacturer. Whiteside has their own plant in the USA, and makes most of the Eagle America bits too. Freud and CMT are made in Italy, but I don’t know if each has their own plant or whether it’s contracted by an independently owned plant.

My experience with the Yonico bits wasn’t all that favorable. The few I’ve tried didn’t look as nicely made….brazing and paint were on the sloppy side, shanks are pretty short. Most cut ok, but one had some vibration and made a less defined cut. I didn’t find that any of them held an edge as long as Whiteside, Infinity, or Eagle America, but there are a lot of factors involved with edge life, so it’s hard to judge without being fairly scientific about it (which I wasn’t). I’ve actually been more impressed with the MLCS bits for the price than Yonico.

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joey502

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#11 posted 02-10-2016 10:22 PM

I am very fond of the Whiteside bits. The are very high quality and priced fairly. The Woodcraft in my area has a good selection on hand but they can be ordered from amazon for less.

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splintergroup

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#12 posted 02-10-2016 10:50 PM

I’m a Whiteside fan, but will buy the occasional Porter Cable or rocker bit when they are on sale for dirt cheap.

As to the Yonico bits, I needed a lock mortise bit and the Yonicos were significantly cheaper than my standard brands.
This is a big bit! There is a bit of vibration and the lock mortise doesn’t quite fit tightly together, but that may be just standard glue clearance. It fits tightly where important. The brazing looks fine. Based on a sample size of one, I’d say Yonico bits are a bargain, especially for special purpose bits where the $$/use become important.

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BurlyBob

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#13 posted 02-10-2016 10:53 PM

Add me in with the Whiteside fans. I’ve several Freud bits, they come in 2nd to Whiteside. If you ever have a problem with them, their customer service far exceeds any other brand!

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Wondermutt

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#14 posted 02-14-2016 01:51 AM

So I just bought a Whiteside bit. WOW. They are a little spendy, but it works like a charm. I so see how it will be much easier to sharpen than the chepo bits (HF) I have now.

Thanks for the recommend on them.

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Woodbum

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#15 posted 02-14-2016 09:04 PM

Freud or Whiteside. good bits, accurately sized. When I have the dough, I always go for the Whiteside. I have bought a house brand bit or two from the Big Blue Box, when I needed one quick (4 miles from my house) but they don’t really last very long in the sharpness dept. Amana bits were/are good too if you can get them as are CMT. Just my two cents worth.

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