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Forum topic by kolwdwrkr posted 02-10-2010 04:38 AM 1954 views 0 times favorited 24 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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kolwdwrkr

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02-10-2010 04:38 AM

Topic tags/keywords: rant soap box apology

First off I wanted to mention that I have deleted a project and have asked Martin to remove a few other things. The reason being is that I posted them under my projects but they were built under contract of the company I am currently employed at. Even though I built the projects I guess I hit a nerve by not mentioning the company. Because it is NOT my intention to solicit on this site I decided that deleting everything I have posted related to this company was my best option. If I was going to solicit for work it wouldn’t be for them anyway, it would be for me. I post here on my time, my work, my dedication to woodworking. Anything that comes from this site should directly benefit me.

I have to say that I feel reletively upset that I cannot share my hard earned labor with you without promoting someone else, as if the recognition shouldn’t be mine. Now don’t get me wrong, I can understand it if I was using the photos to solicit work with my clients, using designs as sales tools, etc, but I have a VERY large portfolio of my own work, and I don’t think the work I am doing right now is at some level above and beyond my own work that I need to use it for solicitation purposes.

Furthermore, if I was going to solicit for business it wouldn’t be here. Again, I was merely sharing my work with you all, my fellow woodworkers, without the intention of getting work, taking recognition for designs or whatever that I shouldn’t be, etc. I thought I was pretty honest about what I did and didn’t do on each job, and I feel as though most of you know I work with a company now. But there it is, my sincere apology for posting a project that wasn’t under my contract, not giving recognition to the company, saying anything negetive about any sub contractors, etc. I also apologize to you all here if you had a tutorial favorited, or a project you saved for inspiration. The project I removed was not my design as I stated, so I don’t have any right to share it with you knowing there is a possibility that you may “steal” it. LOL.

I also want to say that I feel as though I shouldn’t share any knowledge I have obtained through this company. So I have asked to remove any blogs pertaining to said knowledge, as well as any links that may feed you all with information I have obtained. I will now only post information I have obtained on my own, unless I am given direct permission from the party I have learned from. I believe this is the same thing as posting a project that someone else got paid for, even though they were not the party doing the work to make it. Ownership of ideas, designs, photos of jobs, etc is essentially what this is about, and I want to make sure everyone knows I will never post here again unless I have ownership of the design, concept, photo of the job, etc. I apologize again if I have.

So, now that that one little project is off my gallery I want you all to know that you are more then welcome to use any of my projects as inspiration. You can use the designs as you see fit. I will never reproduce anything I have ever made. They are not some spectacular thing that I may mass produce some time when I’m dead. Especially the cabinet work. I want you all to know that I didn’t design every project in my gallery. And some of the projects were built with the help of either my previous crew or from Heidi. I do not care if one of my previous or future employees posts a project that he/she has built while employed with me. I am very proud of their efforts and they are more then welcome to share the fruits of their labor with others. So long as they tell everyone that I built it…..Oh, what. J/K. I have always thought of coming up with a way where they could sign the work they built, but never implemented it. When asked about the project I tell the asking party exactly who made it. I never say things like “oh I like to do it like this”, or “I make things like this”. I always give credit where credit is due.

Well that’s the end of my soap box. I just thought I’d let everyone know why I removed the things I did (if you even noticed LOL). And I hope everyone effected by my mistake will accept my apology. I don’t aim to take work from others by posting projects I personally made. Thanks for understanding.

-- ~ Inspiring those who inspire me ~


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a1Jim

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#1 posted 02-10-2010 04:54 AM

Hey Keith
I know I had a number of your projects saved , I want a refund LOL

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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GMman

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#2 posted 02-10-2010 04:59 AM

I am very sorry Keith about all of that deal I always enjoy seeing all of your work, I hope you will keep posting?
To me I don’t give a second though what the projects are for as long as you had input in them, keep up the good work always enjoy looking at your work.

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kolwdwrkr

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#3 posted 02-10-2010 04:59 AM

I’m just glad that little monster we call selfishness reared it’s little head before I posted to much more then I already did. Talk about a relief. I really didn’t lose that much time. In fact I lost more time with this apology, and it is real mind you. LOL. Lesson learned: don’t post projects you’ve made while working for others, unless you made them on your time. I’m even removing a few projects I made using scrap wood that was given to me. LOL. I don’t take baby steps.

-- ~ Inspiring those who inspire me ~

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patron

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#4 posted 02-10-2010 05:05 AM

Keith , just want you to feel good ,
about yourself ,
your work ,
and sharing with us or anyone else .

through pictures ,
words ,
ideas ,
or a book .

your knowledge and expertise ,
is what is important ,
that you share it with us is
priceless !

thank you .

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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kolwdwrkr

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#5 posted 02-10-2010 05:27 AM

No book in my future I’m sure, but I just freed up a blogspot. The new blog will be here: http://woodworkertutorials.blogspot.com/ Hopefully I can get a few followers and I can start posting some tutorials. We’ll see.

-- ~ Inspiring those who inspire me ~

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Shopsmithtom

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#6 posted 02-10-2010 05:34 AM

I think it’s a rather sad commentary on the world around us when you even have to worry about stuff like this. Wouldn’t it be nice if we could just enjoy the things presented to us in our lives without sweating the petty stuff.

From the length & depth of your apology, this whole situation has upset you. Please don’t it. There are far more important issues in the world that you can focus your energy on in a positive way. -SST

-- Accuracy is not in your power tool, it's in you

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Bothus

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#7 posted 02-10-2010 05:42 AM

Aw MAN!!!! You took off all the good stuff!

Just kidding buddy. I hope you have calmed down enough about this issue to laugh a little.

I think it sucks that you had to do this but man just go look at every other thing you have done. You do great work my friend. If I had your talent I would be a happy man. Well, okay, I’m a happy man anyway but you know what I mean.

Take care,
Bothus

-- Jerry Boshear, Professional Kitchen Designer, amature woodworker.

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kolwdwrkr

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#8 posted 02-10-2010 06:18 AM

Hey Jerry, I feel relatively happy given my life the last few years. It hasn’t been that great. I’ve definately calmed down enough to laugh a little. I was laughing angrily when it was brought up. LOL. Anyhow I thought we were going to get together since you are in SoCal. Just let me know.

-- ~ Inspiring those who inspire me ~

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dmorgantx

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#9 posted 02-10-2010 06:26 AM

Sorry to hear about the trouble. It doesn’t sound like you owe anyone an apology to me, other than the people complaining about it.

We’re glad to have you in the ranks and hope that you’ll be able to put some posts out there soon enough…

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janice

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#10 posted 02-10-2010 06:29 AM

And I didnt even get to see it! Doesnt matter, you have plenty of good stuff to look at. Love your kitchens and everything else, of course. Try not to let it bother you anymore.

-- Janice

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degoose

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#11 posted 02-10-2010 06:30 AM

I have nothing to say but thank you for what you have taught me..

-- Drink twice... and don't bother to cut... @ lazylarrywoodworks.com.au For lovers of all things timber...

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JAGWAH

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#12 posted 02-10-2010 06:59 AM

Sorry to hear about this.

I ran into a similar issue a several years ago when I had a chance to publish my work in a national magazine. I just mentioned in passing to the client that what I built for them would soon be published. I was informed quite threateningly that it would cost me dear if I published photos of their residence.

Since then all my contracts have a clause that says I have the right to photo my work and use the pictures as I see fit. They’re entitled to protest and untill they sign the contract we can negotiate. But in the last 12 years no one has disagreed.

-- ~Just A Guy With A Hammer~

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John Ormsby

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#13 posted 02-10-2010 07:00 AM

No need for apologies. Your work and obvious talents speak for themselves. Keep up the great work and inspirations.

-- Oldworld, Fair Oaks, Ca

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Scott Bryan

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#14 posted 02-10-2010 03:02 PM

Keith, I have always found your work to be inspirational and your talent and craftsmanship are beyond reproach. It is sad that something like this happens but your personal portfolio demonstrates that, as John said, you have no need to apologize for anything.

-- Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful- Joshua Marine

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Gene Howe

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#15 posted 02-10-2010 03:14 PM

Your post made me sad and angry that it was necessary. Someone, somewhere is small and petty with way too much time on their hands.
I only wish that I were so accomplished I might find myself in that the situation you describe.

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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