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02-07-2016 11:49 PM

Hello. I am in a kitchen renovation at home. Looking for rustic farmhouse. Originally assumed I’d build the cabinets from cherry but have since decided we want them painted. That being the case, what do you thinkninshoukdnusenfor lumber? I’ll do maple drawers but do I stick with maple all Around or downgrade since it will be painted?

Thank you.


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#1 posted 02-07-2016 11:54 PM

Todd, I would use MDF for the boxes and poplar for the face frames. Both accept paint very well. The MDF is great for the boxes because it is the size it claims to be, i.e. 3/4” really is 0.75”, not 23/32” or whatever the plywood vendors are shipping today.

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#2 posted 02-07-2016 11:58 PM

MDO would be a possible upgrade for the boxes. Stronger, lighter, water-proof and still just as easy to paint.

Poplar is great for painting but it is soft enough to be more prone to dents than cherry. Hard maple may not take paint as well as poplar but it’s an option if you want more dent resistance.

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#3 posted 02-08-2016 02:50 AM

Just finished much of our kitchen and use poplar. Maple, as a paint grade, would have been expensive.

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#4 posted 02-08-2016 03:36 AM

Pre finished maple ply for boxes, Soft maple for frames would be my first choice. Poplar 2nd, Alder 3rd.
I would compare prices. To me it would be worth a couple of hundred dollars more to use maple.

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#5 posted 02-08-2016 05:44 AM

When I did my kit hen cabinets I used poplar for face frames, cabinet door rail and stiles with MDF panels. Ply for the cabinets themselves. My dado set is configured for the underside ply, you need to add shims to get to 3/4 or 1/2 etc. Yes the poplar is soft but has held up well. Please save your paint number for the inevitable touch up paint job in a few years.

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#6 posted 02-08-2016 12:15 PM

Poplar. Or what jbay ^ said. I’ve seen a few painted kitchens made from maple. Stay away from any wood with knots like pine.

Melamine is also a good choices for the boxes.

I would not use MDF simply because I don’t wouldn’t want all that toxic dust everywhere. Plus it a lot more painting and you would need a sprayer set up.

IMO MDF is not a good choice for face frames or doors.

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#7 posted 02-08-2016 01:28 PM

Poplar for the drawer fronts. How are you going to construct the boxes? Are you using dovetails? If so, poplar again as it is available at the big box stores.

I made pullout drawers for my kitchen cabinets using clear pine (I think it is “aspen”) which was on sale at Home Depot. I used half blind dovetails and they are standing up great after 15 years.

I would use through dovetails for a box that has a drawer face attached.

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#8 posted 02-08-2016 02:02 PM

Thanks for the good feedback, everyone. Originally I was thinking of all solid wood. Just not sure that makes sense when painting. I’ll still most like do panel glue ups for the doors and drawer fronts. Most likely half blind drawers.

I’ll start poking around for sources to see what shows up.

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#9 posted 02-09-2016 05:10 PM

All my drawers are 3/4” ply. The fronts and backs are rabbited and fit in dados, about 3/8” back, on the sides. As such, pulling even the fully loaded forty inch drawers will never pull them apart. All the end grain of the ply, seen from the top of the drawers, get a 1/8” strip [or band, if you prefer].

The plywood is far more stable than the solid wood and a lot more trustworthy than falutin particle board. Remember, this isn’t some blow it out commercial product made with a lot of fcade to hide the cost savings and make it look high end.

Medium density fiber board may be the go to for mass production, but it remains I’ve seen a lot more failed drawers made from it than from plywood or solid wood, and dealing with such was my business for years. Of course, some of those failures can be attributed to the joinery methods.

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#10 posted 02-09-2016 05:19 PM



Pre finished maple ply for boxes, Soft maple for frames would be my first choice. Poplar 2nd, Alder 3rd.
I would compare prices. To me it would be worth a couple of hundred dollars more to use maple.

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Why would Alder be your 3rd choice?

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#11 posted 02-09-2016 06:00 PM



Thanks for the good feedback, everyone. Originally I was thinking of all solid wood. Just not sure that makes sense when painting. I ll still most like do panel glue ups for the doors and drawer fronts. Most likely half blind drawers.

I ll start poking around for sources to see what shows up.

- toddbeaulieu

There’s a reason no one uses solid wood for cabinet boxes in kitchens anymore. Personally, I’d use plywood for the case work, then solid for the trim, drawers, and doors.

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#12 posted 02-09-2016 06:51 PM


Pre finished maple ply for boxes, Soft maple for frames would be my first choice. Poplar 2nd, Alder 3rd.
I would compare prices. To me it would be worth a couple of hundred dollars more to use maple.

- jbay

Why would Alder be your 3rd choice?

- whiteshoecovers

Because it’s a little more expensive than Poplar, maybe a hair softer as well.

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#13 posted 02-09-2016 10:17 PM

You said rustic – how rustic? Maybe you can use some old window sashes for upper doors. I wouldn’t discount pine for face frames if it’s all painted anyway. What about a beadboard look for end panels and such?

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#14 posted 02-09-2016 10:50 PM

Still not sure on how rustic, but I suspect it “farmhouse” might be more accurate. The house is 280+ years old. Just gutted the lath and installing shiplap smooth side out that we’ll paint. Will be building an island as well. I love the beadboard look, and might try to incorporate a little. And/or panels. I’d also love to incorporate some custom spindle work, even if it’s ripped and glued on, such as on the island. So many options it’s overwhelming. We’re accumulating the new used appliances as we come across good deals. Once we have the sink and hood we can commit to layout and dimensions.

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#15 posted 02-29-2016 06:25 PM

I’m dangerously close to starting the cabinet build. Do you guys think I should spend the money on B/BB baltic? It’s $4 sq ft for 4×8 and $3 sq ft for 5×5. I hadn’t though of using ply for the drawer boxes. Worth considering I guess, but even though I like the look of baltic edges, I’d want to install trim to cover it in drawers. Definitely leaning towards solid stock, though, so I can do dovetails. Don’t want plywood dovetails, even if it is baltic. I could forgo the dovetails I suppose.

So pre-finished ply … that’s just some sort of poly? Is the idea just to save time? I take it if I paint the outside, I’d still leave the inside plain with poly? Same with the drawers?

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