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01-26-2016 04:50 PM

Topic tags/keywords: table saw dado

I recently moved into our new house and I’m looking to do several different projects around the house. I do not have a table saw, I have started my research of what to buy but there seem to be so many options I’m not sure where to start. I don’t mind spending a little more on one that will last me for a while but still stay affordable, but not more than 500-600. I’ve looked on craigslist and the large depots but still not sure on what to get. It seems the smaller portable ones won’t are more difficult to cut things like larger pieces of plywood and the such?

I’m looking to make a couple of tables and some cabinet doors, which I need it be able to do dado cuts.

Any advice on what to look for would be very helpful.

Thanks.


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#1 posted 01-26-2016 04:57 PM

Take look at the Delta Contractor saw at Lowes. They will do what you want and a few of the guys on here of bought them and like them. They have a good fence, cast iron top, and you can use a dado stack with them.

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#2 posted 01-26-2016 05:35 PM

If you don’t need to drag the saw from jobsite to jobsite, there’s really no advantage in getting a portable saw. A decent full size stationary saw doesn’t cost much more and has the lion’s share of advantages.

In your price range, the top contender for a new saw is the Delta 36-725 IMO. There’s also the Ridgid R4512 and the nearly identical Craftsman 21833 in your price range, but those have had a history of some alignment issues.

Used is always an option of the right deal comes along. Some reading

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#3 posted 01-26-2016 05:56 PM

Ditto what they said above. The Delta IMHO sees higher quality then the Rigid or twin Sears.

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#4 posted 01-26-2016 06:01 PM

I bit more on the history of alignment issues with the Rigid and Craftsman.
There were very few reports of the genuine problem back in the day. The rest are from a scared crowd of overzealous blade checkers who seeing a slightest movement of a dial indicator cry foul and go harassing the manufactures and dropping their tears in self pity all over the internet. Then Ridgid takes pity on them and takes back the saw. They rush to buy something else from another manufactures and report the same issue again producing more tears of how unlucky they are and repeat the process again. Somewhere in this cycle they learn how to measure and tune the table saw properly and stop. Depending on IQ that process takes somewhere between 1 and 3 attempts.
My own experience with Grizzly G0771 that is deemed to not have this issue and G0715P who is supposed to have it was quite the opposite. G0715P in my case was significantly more accurate and stable than G0771. (G0771 was taken back by Grizzly due to some numerous and unrelated issues).
So I would highly recommend G0715P, it is a bit above your budget but the difference in quality is greater than the difference in money.
You might luck out on craigslist, but you also could spend years of waiting or get someone else’s problem.
Also be careful about 240V table saws if you do not have 240V already. Adding a circuit could be expensive. In my area local authority requires that even an extra outlet needs a permit and to get that permit costs around $350. Plus if you are not comfortable doing the work yourself you have to hire an electrician, which is far not cheap.

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#5 posted 01-26-2016 06:13 PM


Ditto what they said above. The Delta IMHO sees higher quality then the Rigid or twin Sears.

- WormytheChestnut


Seeing both I would disagree with this statement. ( And yes that includes the fence)

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#6 posted 01-26-2016 06:43 PM


I bit more on the history of alignment issues with the Rigid and Craftsman.
There were very few reports of the genuine problem back in the day. The rest are from a scared crowd of overzealous blade checkers who seeing a slightest movement of a dial indicator cry foul and go harassing the manufactures and dropping their tears in self pity all over the internet. Then Ridgid takes pity on them and takes back the saw. They rush to buy something else from another manufactures and report the same issue again producing more tears of how unlucky they are and repeat the process again. Somewhere in this cycle they learn how to measure and tune the table saw properly and stop. Depending on IQ that process takes somewhere between 1 and 3 attempts.
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That’s “history”?! It is a story, I’ll grant you that. The alignment issue on those saws evolved from actual reports from many credible saw owners over a long period of time. What should we make of those reports here and elsewhere over the past 4 years? If I’m a would-be buyer of that saw, I’d want to know all there was to know about it’s history.

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#7 posted 01-26-2016 07:18 PM


I bit more on the history of alignment issues with the Rigid and Craftsman.
There were very few reports of the genuine problem back in the day. The rest are from a scared crowd of overzealous blade checkers who seeing a slightest movement of a dial indicator cry foul and go harassing the manufactures and dropping their tears in self pity all over the internet. Then Ridgid takes pity on them and takes back the saw. They rush to buy something else from another manufactures and report the same issue again producing more tears of how unlucky they are and repeat the process again. Somewhere in this cycle they learn how to measure and tune the table saw properly and stop. Depending on IQ that process takes somewhere between 1 and 3 attempts.
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That s speculation, not “history”. With all due respect, where were you “back in the day”, say 4 years ago when it first showed up? That alignment issue evolved from actual reports from many credible saw owners over a long period of time. There are very few videos showing the error, but there were many, many reports. The concern was earned IMO, not manufactured by incapable users. I and others have repeatedly tried to explain to you how that alignment error and it s history went down, but you seem intent on ignoring what many of us witnessed, and creating your own version of the facts. So be it, but please stop making up stories that support your speculation, while painting those who experienced the problem as some sort of morons.

- knotscott

The vast majority of videos I saw were clearly user errors. That what I base my judgement on. In fact I saw only probably two where a saw would display the problem.
Most of the videos show the blade deflects by 0.010” or so while being cranked up or down. Even though the blade does return to the original position once the tension is release and the handle is fixed the saw owners still continue to assert they have a bad saw. As I said I have far more deflection with G0771 and I am more than sure most table saws have some play in the cranking mechanism otherwise would be to tight and difficult to operate.
I take it that the majority of Ridgid/Craftsman customers are first time table saw buyers and are far more likely to see the problem where there is none.

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#8 posted 01-26-2016 07:25 PM

Kind of weird that Ridgid would offer a newly designed trunnion (stamped with the roman numeral II) that supposedly addresses the problem if none existed – and I’ve read where more than a couple of people claim things like ”I contacted Ridgid and they know the exact problem and say it is a bad trunnion that needs to be replaced.” (Source)

As I said I have far more deflection with G0771 and I am more than sure most table saws have some play in the cranking mechanism otherwise would be to tight and difficult to operate.

Well, the blade on my saw doesn’t have any deflection or move back and forth when raising/lowering… and it’s as smooth as silk. But then again, it’s not a Ridgid/Grizzly/Craftsman saw :)

Cheers,
Brad

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#9 posted 01-26-2016 07:31 PM

As explained previously, there are at least two versions of the alignment error. One where the blade wiggles, and goes back into alignment when the tension is released from the hand wheel. The other is the more significant issue where the back of the blade goes out, and DOES NOT go back to an acceptable tolerance… there aren’t many videos that show it in existence that I know of, but there are many reports of it. One of those videos does show the concern pretty clearly, yet you dismissed it as not a problem. Videos aside, there have been lots and lots of posts from credible users claiming the more problematic of those two alignment scenarios, and I think its wrong to disregard those just because they occurred before your awareness of this issue existed.

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#10 posted 01-26-2016 08:35 PM

One of those videos does show the concern pretty clearly, yet you dismissed it as not a problem.
- knotscott


There were very few reports of the genuine problem back in the day.
- 716

I saw only probably two where a saw would display the problem.
- 716

Reading comprehension problem vs blade alignment problem ?


Videos aside, there have been lots and lots of posts from credible users
- knotscott

So these are not credible users ? Right ?
Also take into account the number of the reviews and the fact that one is much more likely to post a review when he has problems rather than when he does not.

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#11 posted 01-27-2016 09:09 PM

Thanks for the great feedback and discussion…ARe there any suggestions on whether to buy this new or used? I’m trying to think of this as an investment so I’m thinking new but is there a good place to look for used table saws outside of Craigslist?

Also, I’m going to cut stiles and rails for new cabinets, I attempted with my dad’s existing portable saw and got bad kick-back. I’m not sure of the cause or if I’m doing something wrong.

Thanks again.

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#12 posted 01-27-2016 10:08 PM

Consider the Bosch 4100, its portable and very accurate.
Also, the Festool TS 75 is a great saw, I use both in my shop, no issues, very happy.

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#13 posted 01-27-2016 10:20 PM



Also, I m going to cut stiles and rails for new cabinets, I attempted with my dad s existing portable saw and got bad kick-back. I m not sure of the cause or if I m doing something wrong.

You’re likely doing something wrong and dangerous. Look up how to use a riving knife and feather boards.

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#14 posted 01-28-2016 01:21 AM

get yourself an inexpensive 113 series craftsman 10”CI belt drive induction motor saw. they can be had on CL for $50 to $150. they are remarkably simple saws that, with some effort, can be turned into very capable WW machines that can produce fine cabinetry workpieces. if nothing else, heir simplicity will provide an excellent education in table saw operation and provide background for a more defined future purchase. Just my $.02.

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