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Forum topic by Padre posted 01-31-2010 07:27 PM 2172 views 0 times favorited 61 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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01-31-2010 07:27 PM

I think it’s time to just shut this thread down and let it cool off.

-- Chip ----------- 6:8

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#1 posted 01-31-2010 08:47 PM

Padre, I agree with you however, some of us can’t use the pay pal method of donating. I have contacted Martin about it and was told that at the present time, that is the only way it can be done. There may be a reason that some don’t donate. But, 166 our of 15K, well…...

-- Gary, DeKalb Texas only 4 miles from the mill

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#2 posted 01-31-2010 10:35 PM

Padre – I hang out here quite a bit, but hang out mostly on the tool forum. Somehow I’ve manage to miss any mention of a fundraiser. Where’s this info you speak of?

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#3 posted 01-31-2010 10:46 PM

EricRFP is donating some items for an auction to raise money for the site…

I’d definetly encourage everyone who can to donate even a dollar, the money to run an otherwise free site has to come from somewhere and if we don’t support it eventually no matter how much we might love it it will cease to exist from lack of funds, and I’d hate to see LJs crash. That would make Jei sad.

Padre made a very good point, this site is as much a resource as any other, IMHO one of the most valuable ones. Whats a few dollars to keep it going, when many of us consider spending hundreds on a single tool. In fact, if we all donated just 1% of what we spent on tools, imagine how quickly that would add up. In fact, thats what I’m going to do from now on. I challenge everyone else to do the same.

-- - Jei, Rockford IL - When in doubt, spray it with WD-40 and wrap it with duct tape. The details will attend to themselves.

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#4 posted 01-31-2010 11:20 PM

There is a statistical error in your calculations.
When you separate the wheat from the chaff, you may be surprised. Lots of those ‘members’ on our roster are simply ghosts. Think of this example: That girl in China that started a thread” Believe in Chinese Plywood”...remember her? She was here to advocate a foreign product, and for all we know, never made a wooden object in her life. There are plenty of other, illegitimate members on the roster, one or more of which was an alter-ego of a member with whom I wished no further contact. Then, there is the spill-over from the home renovation and gardening sister sites of Lumber jocks. If you wish to participate in either of those sites you must re-register, and I’m sure a few of the members from those sites have come to participate here on an issue of tangential interest. Padre: You are absolutely right! We should all be willing to pitch in!!
Though there perhaps is no valid, compelling reason to refresh the LJ roster, my own guess is that there are perhaps 500-600 people who are active members. Should we ask through a show of hands?

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#5 posted 01-31-2010 11:29 PM

Gary and others, if you don’t have or don’t want a PayPal account, then contact another member in good standing and offer to send them a check so they can donate on your behalf.

-- Carpenter assembles with hands, Designer builds with brains, Artist creates with heart!

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#6 posted 01-31-2010 11:33 PM

I hate to say it, but a website that gets as much traffic as Lumberjocks doesn’t need user contributions IMO.

According to Alexa over the past 6 months traffic on this site has increased exponentially, and is most likely going to be a common name among woodworkers in the next few years to come. I only see success for this site.

There are ads on this site, and I am pretty sure the ad revenue is covering expenses, since running a website really isn’t that expensive.

Here is the Alexa report if anyone is interested.

-- San Diego, CA

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#7 posted 02-01-2010 12:25 AM

Padre if you look up jocks you’re going to see 458 pages and you’re going to see members on for close to 4 years and 0 post so I always said that 15000 member is no a good number.
You can start from page 458 and work back and lots of those members could be remove.

I had my son in law sign in at the same time as myself and he never went back on and never posted but he is still a member??

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#8 posted 02-01-2010 12:37 AM

I don’t see a lot of advertisors or advertisements on this site at all. I doubt ad income is all that great.

And let’s prune out some of the 15,000. Let’s say that only 5% are active. So the math is this:

15000x.05=750. 166/750=22.13%. So 22% of the members support the site while 78% don’t. Those percentages are still pretty sad imho.

-- Chip ----------- 6:8

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#9 posted 02-01-2010 12:49 AM

I know what you mean Padre but why show 15000 and maybe we are only 13000??
Lets get a true number to start with.

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#10 posted 02-01-2010 01:13 AM

No matter what the true number of members, I would think 1% would be about an average for voluntary donations. How much does it cost to run the site? Is the site in danger of folding because of a lack of revenues? I don’t know the answer to those questions. If it was, I would consider donating.

I have not donated but I feel I give back by offering a free plugin (Cutlist for Sketchup) and support for it, exclusively here in LJ. I know many members have joined simply to ask questions about the Cutlist plugin.

As for merchandise, I don’t need any of that stuff. If there was a shop apron, I might consider buying one but there still isn’t one and being in New Zealand, the shipping usually is double the item price.

-- If you can't joint it, bead it!

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#11 posted 02-01-2010 01:33 AM

Tried to donate… pay pal is the problem!
Happy to do my small part when pay pal is fixed.

-- "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good." Voltaire

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#12 posted 02-01-2010 01:37 AM

The PayPal thing is kinda a distraction. You can donate with your credit card, but you have to get a PayPal number to do it. I don’t ever intend to use PayPal, and intially balked. Talked to Martin about it. Then decided, oh well, so I get a PayPal account I never use. So that’s what I did. So don’t let that deter you. Just go through the motions, and ignore the fact you end up with a PayPal account.

I am not pushing anyone to donate, but the PayPal thing is not a real obstacle. Donation is a very personal thing. I don’t donate to very many causes, because I do a lot of charity in my job…....a lot of charity…and I know where the charity is going.

But for me, LJ’s fit my criteria, and that puts it in a very exclusive club. Maybe not for you.

-- Jim, Anchorage Alaska

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#13 posted 02-01-2010 01:54 AM

That’s the think that’s great with this site Jim, no one HAS to donate.

-- Chip ----------- 6:8

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#14 posted 02-01-2010 02:00 AM

Actually Steve, from the church side of things, the part I know about, the averages are 5/20/80. 5% of the congregation pays 75% of the budget, 20% of the congregation pays 22% of the budget, and 80% of the congregation makes up the final 3%. Most churches survive on endowment money left from previous generations. It’s that way with volunteering too, 20% of the congregation does 80% of the volunteer work.

-- Chip ----------- 6:8

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#15 posted 02-01-2010 02:03 AM

PayPal IS a problem when you live a long ways out in the country. They do now accept my address or zip. I can’t set up an account. However Dan, I would be more than willing to send you a check so you could make the donation for me if you will PM me your address

-- Gary, DeKalb Texas only 4 miles from the mill

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